At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

I think it's great that the police are starting to take supporting terrorists seriously and are now using anti terror legislation to start making the arrests that should have happened some time ago. As predicted as the Gaza conflict has ground on there are more and more pro Palestine looks prepared to flirt with proscribed groups.

Maybe some halal time or fines will make these people think a bit more.

I don’t need to be blessed by you.

Have you really not heard this argument before?
Its pretty much what most moderate voices think should happen.

Yes pretty much spot on that Israel does not want a solution. BN and Hamas need each other.

When I say Israel I mean BNs blood thirsty government.

@SisforSusanna of course I’ve heard it before. But as we keep saying, due to their doctrine of wanting all Jews dead (everywhere) it won’t work. Can’t you at least acknowledge that is their doctrine and how you can possibly think they can go against their own doctrine to come to this agreement? They just can’t. It’s like asking them to change their religion.

No because I have already responded that I am so tired of batting back and forwards on the same points. At the moment I am reading a lot of opinion pieces coming out of Israel which I find much more interesting and hopeful than these threads which is just same old.

Just as I thought @SisforSusanna you won’t admit that is their doctrine. That’s why when we see people on these marches we think they are either deluded or Hamas supporters. Until the reality of the situation is faced, you’re just pissing in the wind.

I know you think you are being super clever, but I have closed this part of the conversation down for my part. It doesn’t really matter if I say, yes this is part of their doctrine. Another poster will just come in and and ask me why I haven’t solved the conflict in Sudan yet. I would like to discuss with more progressive and moderate people who don’t think the only solution is to bomb the shit out of Gaza.

This is so simplistic that I just don't know what to say. Who is going to wave the magic wand to make this happen?

Ofc it is a decades long conflict no one can resolve, but I was asked about what I wanted to happen I think. I think most people want to end the humanitarian crisis yes? I think most people want a 2 state solution and that is very unlikely to happen with Hamas and BN all loved up together. Neither care for peace and feed off each other.

@SisforSusanna I also genuinely don't know how marching alongside open, blatant racists in the safety of Western cities, calling for the destruction of Israel and 'Zionists' (Jews) will bring it about.

This is also a point I have already responded on before so🤷🏻‍♀️

Apologies, I must have missed it. The only post I saw was one where you said you marched with a Jewish friend which doesn't address this particular point.

it’s not just that people have a different opinion, it’s that they’re not stopping to ask deeper questions about why Palestine Action has been labelled this way in the first place. They just accept that because the government has put them on a list, they must be bad, without wondering for a second what the political reasons behind that decision might be or whether there’s something bigger going on.

It’s frustrating to see people switch off their critical thinking the moment they hear the word t3rorism as if that’s the end of the conversation and no further thought is needed. They stop engaging with what’s actually happening, they stop looking at the reasons behind the protests or the idea that civil disobedience can sometimes be justified, and they don’t even pause to question whether the government might be using this label to shut down. This blind acceptance feels like people are just going along with state power without even realising it, like they’re swallowing whatever they’re told without thinking it through. It’s not just their opinion that frustrates me, it’s the lack of curiosity and the fact they’re not even questioning how they arrived at that opinion.

Which can be the same argument for the people attending demos intimidating Jewish people and chanting from the river to the sea when they don’t even know what it means. Like it or not, if you go on those protests and don’t question the antisemitism you look like a terrorist supporter.

Hezbollah were planning to attack Israel at the same time as Hamas. @DwarfBeans

Really ?
This sounds like tittle-tattle. Have you any evidence to support this ?
Hezbollah, although sending some missiles and rockets, effectively stayed out of the conflict until Oct 2024. and were subsequently decimated.
They didn't even know Hamas were planning Oct 7.

They stayed out of the conflict except for firing missiles and rockets? 🤔

Err Trump? without their arms Israel has to negotiate?

Iran? Trump can certainly bring them ie Hamas, to the table... they don't want to be bombed again....

10 children killed collecting water today, IDF say technical issues.... oh well, what a shame, all ok... move on.....

You seem strangely unmoved by tbe death of children please dont drag me into it.

Not at all but it does show the IDF isn't interested in peace or limiting death....

Supported all the while by their friends in the West...

@mouthpipette according to the New York Times and other sources, documents were recovered of minute meetings showing that not only did hezbollah and Iran know of the plan (and Hamas wanting them involved) but that their ‘big project’ was scheduled originally for 2022.

And let’s be honest, why would that be shocking? They’re all Iran’s puppets.

SOME missiles and rockets? Do you call over 8000 rockets SOME?

How many rockets equates to ‘effectively stayed out of the conflict’ to you?

There are protests in Israel too. A Jewish Facebook friend posted it on facebook and people were carrying placards of dead Palestinian children. The protests are not just in London. It’s in Israel too. It’s universal to recognise human suffering and want to put a stop to it.

Of course there are protests in Israel. There are always protests in Israel. Netanyahu's government is quite unpopular and there is a strong anti war movement and movement to bring home the hostages. That's got nothing to do with my point which was to ask you how marching alongside racists and terrorist sympathisers brings about peace.

Good. So there is a strong anti war movement in Israel and in most European capitals we hold similar anti war marches. Anti war is not the same as another Jewish. Great we agree☺️

No you are deliberately ignoring my point. How does marchung in this country alongside open racists and terrorist supporters calling for the destruction of Israel help to bring about peace? Equating such people with the peace movement and hostage families in Israel is disgraceful.