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Conflict in the Middle East

At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches

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mids2019 · 13/07/2025 05:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

I think it's great that the police are starting to take supporting terrorists seriously and are now using anti terror legislation to start making the arrests that should have happened some time ago. As predicted as the Gaza conflict has ground on there are more and more pro Palestine looks prepared to flirt with proscribed groups.

Maybe some halal time or fines will make these people think a bit more.

A number of police officers on a road with some members of the public taking photos and filming. The police appear to be carrying a person although only their foot can be seen in the image.

More than 70 arrests at Palestine Action ban protests

The protests - and the arrests - come after the pro-Palestinian group was proscribed as a terror organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6mjg13dz6o

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quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 14:36

Shenmen · 13/07/2025 14:00

That is true. But the marches I have been past are all about wanting the war to end and nothing about wanting further death.

Any calls for hostage release? Condemnation of hamas?

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 14:40

quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 14:36

Any calls for hostage release? Condemnation of hamas?

Consequences for Israel of giving up on fighting Hamas?

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 14:49

quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 14:36

Any calls for hostage release? Condemnation of hamas?

A ceasefire does involve Hamas too.

I personally can’t sit and look at in silence the humanitarian catastrophe we see in Gaza today and I don’t know how anyone can. There are practical things one can do. Personally I donate money to Doctors Without Borders and I buy Palestinian fair trade products from the Amnesty shop.

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 14:52

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 14:40

Consequences for Israel of giving up on fighting Hamas?

We are not just talking about Israel fighting Hamas though, are we? We are talking about mass slaughter of civilians. This war is not making Israel or the world a safer place, on the contrary.

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 14:54

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 14:49

A ceasefire does involve Hamas too.

I personally can’t sit and look at in silence the humanitarian catastrophe we see in Gaza today and I don’t know how anyone can. There are practical things one can do. Personally I donate money to Doctors Without Borders and I buy Palestinian fair trade products from the Amnesty shop.

I agree there’s a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. There is also one in Sudan. Why does the Gaza conflict garner way more coverage than Sudan? Is it because of the involvement of Israel?

Comedycook · 13/07/2025 14:57

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 14:49

A ceasefire does involve Hamas too.

I personally can’t sit and look at in silence the humanitarian catastrophe we see in Gaza today and I don’t know how anyone can. There are practical things one can do. Personally I donate money to Doctors Without Borders and I buy Palestinian fair trade products from the Amnesty shop.

Regardless of your age, there won't have been a single moment in your life where some war/conflict/humanitarian crisis hasn't occurred....and there won't be for the rest of your life. Do you feel this passionately about other conflicts?

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 13/07/2025 15:08

Gosh. So many “errors”

Gaza officials say children killed in strike as Israeli military admits 'error' https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rvxjnvv71o

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 15:20

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 14:52

We are not just talking about Israel fighting Hamas though, are we? We are talking about mass slaughter of civilians. This war is not making Israel or the world a safer place, on the contrary.

Hamas have encouraged you to think in those terms by reporting all deaths as civilian, whether they are Hamas or not... as well as flooding social media with distressing images of dead and dying children, unlike Israel who are more respectful of the families concerned.

I'd be interested to know how you would fight a terrorist opponent that is deeply embedded in civilian life to the extent that they ensure its activists cannot be identified (unlike normal wars where combatants are uniformed). Can you not see the problem here? And do you really think that Hamas is interested in a peace deal? They have their eyes on the prize, which is to eradicate Israel once and for all ("from the river to the sea").

Have you considered that if Israel wanted the "mass slaughter of civilians" it could easily have eradicated the entire population of Gaza long ago, instead of ~2.5%? The Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry does not differentiate between civilians and armed militants in its reporting. It simply labels all deaths as resulting from "Israeli aggression". Even if you accept without question the number of deaths they report as entirely civilian, the ratio of deaths per air strike is lower than would be expected, despite the fact that Hamas deliberately hide behind hospitals and schools.

Obviously 2.5% of such a massive population is significant and distressing, but it simply does not add up to the claims you are making. Please be cautious about swallowing Hamas propaganda hook, line and sinker and then voicing it as thought it's incontestable.

I doubt you will read this link, but sharing just in case it helps:
www.mideastjournal.org/post/civilian-casualties-gaza-war

At long last the police are cracking down on hard marches
SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 15:23

Comedycook · 13/07/2025 14:57

Regardless of your age, there won't have been a single moment in your life where some war/conflict/humanitarian crisis hasn't occurred....and there won't be for the rest of your life. Do you feel this passionately about other conflicts?

Yes I do actually.

Voxon · 13/07/2025 15:25

I remember going to protests for things, including Iraq war. Very different vibe.

These marches have people with faces covered, symbols of "the resistance" everywhere (terrorists), obviously antisemitic signs, deliberately trying to make Jews uncomfortable or intimidated. I think Hamas have thanked then as that's who they're helping

They're bullies really. Racist bullies. It's not a peace movement at all. They just hate Israel.

They can deny that all they want but the very first time I saw signs with swastikas or people ripping down hostage posters I would have left and not gone back.

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 15:28

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 15:20

Hamas have encouraged you to think in those terms by reporting all deaths as civilian, whether they are Hamas or not... as well as flooding social media with distressing images of dead and dying children, unlike Israel who are more respectful of the families concerned.

I'd be interested to know how you would fight a terrorist opponent that is deeply embedded in civilian life to the extent that they ensure its activists cannot be identified (unlike normal wars where combatants are uniformed). Can you not see the problem here? And do you really think that Hamas is interested in a peace deal? They have their eyes on the prize, which is to eradicate Israel once and for all ("from the river to the sea").

Have you considered that if Israel wanted the "mass slaughter of civilians" it could easily have eradicated the entire population of Gaza long ago, instead of ~2.5%? The Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry does not differentiate between civilians and armed militants in its reporting. It simply labels all deaths as resulting from "Israeli aggression". Even if you accept without question the number of deaths they report as entirely civilian, the ratio of deaths per air strike is lower than would be expected, despite the fact that Hamas deliberately hide behind hospitals and schools.

Obviously 2.5% of such a massive population is significant and distressing, but it simply does not add up to the claims you are making. Please be cautious about swallowing Hamas propaganda hook, line and sinker and then voicing it as thought it's incontestable.

I doubt you will read this link, but sharing just in case it helps:
www.mideastjournal.org/post/civilian-casualties-gaza-war

I am not going to spend time responding to a poster who is dismissing tens and thousands of civilians mostly women and children dying as Hamas propaganda.
I think we are going in circles here.

I would be really interested in a thread with more. moderate voices where we could have a more interesting discussions about moving forward ie two state solution etc and how people think that could happen. Maybe I will try to start one.

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 15:29

Voxon · 13/07/2025 15:25

I remember going to protests for things, including Iraq war. Very different vibe.

These marches have people with faces covered, symbols of "the resistance" everywhere (terrorists), obviously antisemitic signs, deliberately trying to make Jews uncomfortable or intimidated. I think Hamas have thanked then as that's who they're helping

They're bullies really. Racist bullies. It's not a peace movement at all. They just hate Israel.

They can deny that all they want but the very first time I saw signs with swastikas or people ripping down hostage posters I would have left and not gone back.

I have not seen a single person with a face cover in any of the marches I have attended. I have marched alongside mostly families with your children. Quite similar vibes to the anti war in Iraq March actually.

Voxon · 13/07/2025 15:30

Absolutely rubbish, we all have eyes

Comedycook · 13/07/2025 15:30

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 15:23

Yes I do actually.

You must be exhausted...a quick google says there's over thirty conflicts going on right now....

It was the Srebrenica memorial day on the 11th July....I bet vast majority of the pro Palestinian crowd didn't know or care.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 15:31

Voxon · 13/07/2025 15:25

I remember going to protests for things, including Iraq war. Very different vibe.

These marches have people with faces covered, symbols of "the resistance" everywhere (terrorists), obviously antisemitic signs, deliberately trying to make Jews uncomfortable or intimidated. I think Hamas have thanked then as that's who they're helping

They're bullies really. Racist bullies. It's not a peace movement at all. They just hate Israel.

They can deny that all they want but the very first time I saw signs with swastikas or people ripping down hostage posters I would have left and not gone back.

Its remarkable how many people just don't see the obvious Jew hate on these marches. And when Jewish people tell them they think its completely ok to just deny it.

*obviously I have my JVL/NK bingo card ready.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 15:32

Comedycook · 13/07/2025 15:30

You must be exhausted...a quick google says there's over thirty conflicts going on right now....

It was the Srebrenica memorial day on the 11th July....I bet vast majority of the pro Palestinian crowd didn't know or care.

But if they could share all their tips for practical things we can all do to make a difference I'm sure we would all be grateful.

DwarfBeans · 13/07/2025 15:42

You don’t need to support a terrorist organisation to object to a war but this seems to be what is happening now. October 7th would have looked very different if Hamas and Hezbollahs original plan had succeeded.

War is hard but you can’t put out half a fire. These people truly want to wipe out the entire planet’s Jewish population. Now that would be a genocide.

Some of this is uni students thinking this is their Vietnam moment. It is not. Hamas is a death cult and they refer to western protesters as ‘useful idiots’. It is so sad so many people are falling for it.

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 15:43

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 15:28

I am not going to spend time responding to a poster who is dismissing tens and thousands of civilians mostly women and children dying as Hamas propaganda.
I think we are going in circles here.

I would be really interested in a thread with more. moderate voices where we could have a more interesting discussions about moving forward ie two state solution etc and how people think that could happen. Maybe I will try to start one.

With respect, I am not dismissing anything. Of course the situation is deeply distressing. I am just trying to share some perspective to convey why the "mass slaughter of civilians" condemnation of Israel is playing into Hamas's hands.

Stirabout · 13/07/2025 15:45

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 14:54

I agree there’s a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. There is also one in Sudan. Why does the Gaza conflict garner way more coverage than Sudan? Is it because of the involvement of Israel?

No. But there’s always some that believe it is.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 15:47

Stirabout · 13/07/2025 15:45

No. But there’s always some that believe it is.

Oh, what is it then?

Voxon · 13/07/2025 15:47

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 15:31

Its remarkable how many people just don't see the obvious Jew hate on these marches. And when Jewish people tell them they think its completely ok to just deny it.

*obviously I have my JVL/NK bingo card ready.

Sorry I think they do see it! If they cared they'd listen to Jewish people like they would anyone else

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 15:49

Voxon · 13/07/2025 15:47

Sorry I think they do see it! If they cared they'd listen to Jewish people like they would anyone else

I agree, I mean they pretend they don't see it really. Like Corbyn and the mural.

Stirabout · 13/07/2025 15:49

SisforSusanna · 13/07/2025 15:28

I am not going to spend time responding to a poster who is dismissing tens and thousands of civilians mostly women and children dying as Hamas propaganda.
I think we are going in circles here.

I would be really interested in a thread with more. moderate voices where we could have a more interesting discussions about moving forward ie two state solution etc and how people think that could happen. Maybe I will try to start one.

Well said. Sick of all the me me deflections. Adult discussion can lead to great things if everyone is reasonable. A two state solution is recognised the world over as the only truly humanitarian solution.

TulipLavender · 13/07/2025 15:50

TeenagersAngst · 13/07/2025 14:54

I agree there’s a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. There is also one in Sudan. Why does the Gaza conflict garner way more coverage than Sudan? Is it because of the involvement of Israel?

Are you also wondering why the British airforce are not running daily surveillance flights over Sudan?

Voxon · 13/07/2025 15:59

TulipLavender · 13/07/2025 15:50

Are you also wondering why the British airforce are not running daily surveillance flights over Sudan?

The British government doesn't profess to care equally about every conflict. The poster did