Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Do you have any thoughts at all on Katz and Netanyahus plans for Gaza? Do you think it's a good idea? Do you think it would being long lasting peace to the region? Do you think that Israel want to do it to keep Palestinians safe in a war zone?

What do you personally think would happen if you cram 2 million people into the ruins of Rafah as Israels PM and Katz have said they would like to do? Given what we know of Israels current attempts at distributing aid in Gaza do you think it is likely that Israel would treat Palestinians with respect and humanity, giving them conditions to thrive?

Surely given this has been stated as Israels plan by both the PM and the defence minister it is worth discussion.

Jesus people are supporting groups that attack the Uk’s military assets, police officers, trash Jewish businesses, Jewsish schools have security, if this is about Israel why are British Jews scared. it’s not much of a jump to think it will get worse. You have people calling for death to entire groups of people in public. This is what extremism looks like.

Interestingly an organised group in Belgium attacked a jeep manufacturer. They had been told these were destined for Israel but actually they were going to Ukraine. Russia has paid people in the UK to attack sites connected with Ukrainian arms in the UK. I remember listening to a podcaster suggest that increasingly you’ll just see groups paid to contract out terrorism. I wonder how many of these idiots actually know who’s paying for their “work”. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if funds are traced back to Russia and Iran.

I remember how people in the middle east were extremely prone to conspiracy theory beliefs. It used to be really odd because you would be talking to someone who is clearly very intelligent, well informed and nuanced but mention Israel and the batshittery starts. It’s fascinating from a psychological perspective because theres a build up of hysteria and increasingly outlandish claims, it’s almost religious in it’s expression, like those American Christians who like to start speaking in tongues. I think people get a dopamine hit from it.

But you do acknowledge that the 55,000 dead includes the Hamas terrorists which reputable sources say are approx half the casualties?
So you’d be much more believable saying 28,000 dead civilians, because at the moment no one can take you seriously.

It seems no one wants to discuss the Katz plan @MixedMetals . I’ll read that to mean it’s because it’s so obvious it’s abhorrent and there is in fact. No way to justify it.

Yes if we could just stick to discussing the plan. Lots of other threads are available to discuss how many people have died or whether you think the death is worth it or western support for the Palestinians.

You don’t have to sleepwalk behind Netanyahu and the most extreme elements of his government into a conversation about when an internment camp becomes a death camp.

Anyway - I think it’s a terrible plan. And I can’t see any glimmer of hope now. Even if the rest of the international governments do start taking concrete actions. And I completely agree with you @ForgesOfEmpires that Egypt are as complicit in this as have the UK, the EU and of course the US. But even if action is actually taken now - is it too late?

Nobody can take you seriously. You have 3 main talking points. Terrorists have been killed, we are terrorist supporters and Palestinian civilians are also terrorists.

You’re not debating or discussing anything, you just come out with your repetitive points and start insulting people.

Just hearing about the plan was deeply disturbing.

I actually cannot believe this is happening. It is a concentration camp! We need to act now. Please everyone, talk about this and share with friends and family.

I can't see anything changing now. I think it's too far gone.

A member of Israels government I can't remember who now said a while back that they've destroyed Gaza and nobody has stopped them. I think this was back when ethnic cleansing was first directly spoken about by the government. Anyway that shows their mindset. It's always been how far can we push this before we get push back. Stopping aid altogether was too far, so they provided these food distribution centres, not even the bare minimum of food required by Palestinians but that was never their purpose. Their purpose was to quieten their benefactors.

Slowly they have been introducing this idea of camps and ethnic cleansing. Push Palestinians further and further south into smaller and smaller 'zones'. No push back. Speak openly about 'transfer'. A little bit of pushback. Ok how about just one small 'zone' or camp if you will and then if people choose to leave then that would be fine right?

As you can see from some posters here that idea is not landing all too badly.

I think Israel can't quite believe their luck. Gaza in the bag. Next is the West Bank then it will turn on the Palestinians in Israel.

From very early on in this conflict the people who were listening to what Israel were saying saw this for what it is. There is no way Israel are giving up on this now.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGLS_SkoXiV/?igsh=Zzgyemxlc2ZrOWli

Drone footage of northern Gaza now.

I think Israel can't quite believe their luck. Gaza in the bag. Next is the West Bank then it will turn on the Palestinians in Israel.

Let me understand this correctly. You honestly, hand on heart believe that Israelis...

• were invaded on 7 October 2023 and have 1200+ of their citizens killed, raped or kidnapped in some of the most brutal ways.
• have endured two years of war on six fronts with their citizens in bomb shelters, many displaced for months on end, missiles fired daily at them which resulted in deaths of their civilians
• who have lost more than 800 of their own young people in conflict
• who have had their citizens bodies paraded like a TV game show in front of them
• who have endured being harassed and ostracised globally
• who have spent well over $60 billion fighting a war they did not start

Feel lucky, because this means they can now steal Gaza which they gave away voluntarily 20 years ago?

And that they intend to harm the Palestinians in Israel, who have lived amongst them peacefully for 8 decades?

My God.

I am off sick today after a small surgery. I am fascinated by this topic as it relates to both my own homeland as well as my area of study, and I joined in for a bit of a chat.

I thought it might be an intelligent chat.

But I have to say I have heard some of the most horrifying, revolting, ridiculous tripe of my life from these forums and it's obvious some of the people here have a real problem.

Yeah, it’s interesting how many conspiracy theorists are obsessed with Jews. I’m not Jewish and happily wasn’t brought up to hate them either (honestly never ever mentioned, sorry Jewish people!) so I find the distortions really fascinating.

I mean they’ve suffered hate centuries before the modern version of Israel was created. Pogroms, discrimination, expulsion across the arab and european worlds, so it’s not a new thing and it’s not just Israel the state that is the “problem” It’s really odd because as a group they generally contribute more to any society than they take. I wonder if it’s just envy.

I mean the marches against Israel started literally a day after the attack, Israel hadn’t even done anything. I struggled to get my head around that, a country suffers a terror attack and people immediately start protesting against them. It’s actually shocking and quite depraved.

It’s EXACTLY what a concentration camp is. And guess what? Actions matter even more than words. Disgusting.

There is no point in trying to debate anything when the two supporting groups are so entrenched, like in the region itself. It is achieving nothing apart from fueling Mumsnet revenue streams.
However the amount of bullshit being thrown around by the pro-Palestinians is worth correcting, because gullible people will believe it.

What happened to the thread entitled ‘Israel to create concentration camps’ or whatnot?
Now it’s been ‘tempered’ to internment camps and plenty of death camp comments.
There may be refugee/detention camps out of necessity. They won’t be death camps, forced labour, starvation, no medical aid. Though people will die no doubt, it won’t be deliberate.
The key to saving lives in Gaza is the surrender of Hamas and stopping the terrorism. Until they fuck off, it’s a war zone, with all the restrictions that brings with it.

@User37482 ”I mean the marches against Israel started literally a day after the attack, Israel hadn’t even done anything.”

The genocide comments began right after the counter offensive started. And after 21 months of this war, still only approx 1.5% of the population have perished.
They chose the wrong word and look ridiculous continuously using it.
Similarly using ‘carpet bombing’, though that does seem to be restricted to pro-Palestine supports on MumsNet.

Yes, because Israel owns every item of rhetoric and terminology used to represent oppression of one group by another, and any attempt to use such terminology in another context - especially one where Israel are the perpetrators - is antisemitic.

Glad I could help.

It's most common use that I see currently is to describe the Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs. I don't see any qualifications or apologies for using it when I read about that in a wide range of media.

There's one important point you're missing though, which is that Israel occupied Gaza in 1967. Hamas only became a thing in the 1990s after decades of appeal to international pressure and negotiation didn't work to end that occupation. Hamas were voted into government by the Gazans because they were the only group perceived as willing to stand up for their rights.

Noone is saying Hamas are good, or even that they're OK. But if you occupy another people's land, deny their right to self determination, destroy their livelihood and brutalize them for long enough, violent religious radicalism is ONE of the reactions that will occur.

Seriously, people make a mockery of this issue by pretending they can just lop the first hundred years or so off the history of it (from the beginnings of the Zionist movement in the 19th century) and date it from the last bad thing that some Palestinians did.

Israel are occupying a land that does not belong to them. In no other place do we just accept that as OK, or blame the inhabitants of the land for the chaos, desperation and violence arising from whatever means they can cobble together to fight against it.

The camp(s) haven't even been built yet and maybe never will be. We have no knowledge at the moment about how they will be run if they happen at all, so it is just speculation.

Israel does not dislike the civilians of Palestine only Hamas and Hamas supporters so there is no reason to assume that Palestinian civilians would be treated how the Chinese threat the Uyghurs.

I see it is pointless asking people not to use the term concentration camp out of respect to Jewish people's unique history so I will leave you to carry on as you see fit.

In what sense are Israel occupying a land that doesn't belong to them?

What about the Jewish people who bought land around Tel Aviv before the state of Israel was born? Are they occupying something that doesn't belong to them?

What about the land that was assigned to the state of Israel by the UN? Does that land now belong to Israel?

Or perhaps you're referring to land won in wars post 1948? Should all that land be returned to Palestinians? Should therefore all other land won in wars since 1948 be returned to its original pre war owners?

Or do you purely mean the land settlers are pushing into in the West Bank?

All of that is just so stupid, these aren’t political prisoners, they aren’t about to be massacred, the israelis aren’t claiming they have committed a crime so they have to be rounded up.

The breathless hysteria on here, it’s downright manic. What Katz talked about doesn’t meet the definition of a concentration camp (I think Katz is a fucking maniac) and the IDH have already said it’s impractical.

I think some protesters are just determined to misuse words.