Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

The important point you’re missing is that the creators and followers of the Palestinian ‘cause’ don’t want, and never wanted, peace. They want ALL the land from the River to the Sea. To drive the Jews into the sea and annihilate Israel.

Palestinians were aware of Hamas’s charter before they elected them which was the annihilation of Israel.

What led to Israel occupying Gaza and the West Bank?

Why have the Palestinians rejected all peace offers, refused to declare their own State, and prefer to remain perpetual refugees with their own special, just for them, UN organisation with more aid and staffing per head than the main refugee organisation allocates for every other refugee?

‘Violent, religious radicalism’ is absolutely no justification for Oct 7th.

Did you not know there was a long history of Palestinian terrorism before Hamas?

They NEED to froth, to feel that hate and righteous anger against Israel Jews.

I personally doubt any of them actually give a fuck about Palestinians themselves, they have just found an outlet in which to release their hate and anger from their own sad little lives.

If they did, they’d have been protesting for Hamas to surrender and release the hostages from Oct 8th 2023.

Some of the videos I’ve seen of protests in the UK with people totally enraged and literally spitting about Israel were an eye opener. It’s like they are possessed!

Gaza was occupied by Egypt pre-1967 & West Bank was occupied by Jordan (formed as a state in 1946 apparently), still not an independent palestinian state, but hey at least they weren't jewish so no complaints.

I so often see 'Israel is occupying land that doesn't belong to them' but I've yet to have someone explain to me the detail of what they mean by that. Hopefully someone will elaborate soon.

Oh give it a rest will you. Frothing at the mouth that all supporters of Palestinians support them just because they hate Jews? Do you even hear yourself?

”Let me understand this correctly. You honestly, hand on heart believe that Israelis...

• were invaded on 7 October 2023 and have 1200+ of their citizens killed, raped or kidnapped in some of the most brutal ways.
• have endured two years of war on six fronts with their citizens in bomb shelters, many displaced for months on end, missiles fired daily at them which resulted in deaths of their civilians
• who have lost more than 800 of their own young people in conflict
• who have had their citizens bodies paraded like a TV game show in front of them
• who have endured being harassed and ostracised globally
• who have spent well over $60 billion fighting a war they did not start

Feel lucky, because this means they can now steal Gaza which they gave away voluntarily 20 years ago?
And that they intend to harm the Palestinians in Israel, who have lived amongst them peacefully for 8 decades?”

@ForgesOfEmpires I’ve agreed with previous comments from other posters here on how you often add a considered perspective here, which I respect.

re: the above, no, I would not agree. Not all Israelis feel happy with that. But definitely Netanyahu and his far right coalition. They are ecstatic and make no bones about it. They don’t care what price is paid to achieve it. And look? They are supported by the many, many Israelis.
Regards the global support for Palestinians, that’s probably related to fact that they do not agree with 55,000 people, 17,000 children don’t deserve to be killed or the many others kidnapped and raped either, just like the 1,200 festival goers.

The IDF soldier who was filmed raping a Palestinian with a pole, in front of other soldiers in a cage full of other Palestinians, was found not guilty and ‘acting in self-defence’. And then a week later celebrated on TV shows abs game shows. That’s indicative of the impunity which persists.

The IDF have recruitment drives across America and Europe, offering handsome sums for people who have had little or nothing to do with Israel and the most tenuous links to the Jewish faith. Theses people travel to participate in this genocide and then after a few months chill out by using their earned money as a travel around the world opportunity. That’s why many countries have pulled their visiting visas.

Regards Israeli spend in war - they are helped a lot by the US. Otherwise, their economic growth is the best it’s been in a long time. There are companies profiting very handsomely from this. Netenyahu is certainly facilitating this bullshit riviera of the Middle East for Trump’s pocket.

The fact you speak about Israel ‘giving’ Gaza to the Palestinians 20 years ago in the aftermath of decades of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and Bedouin is really something. That aside, yes, it was disestablishment of Israeli settler settlements to make that happen, but it’s a small parcel of land - one of the most densely populated on Earth, compared to the whole of the land where they used to live. ‘Given’ to them by the people who threw them off a vast land.

When you speak of parading bodies. That was obviously by Hamas. Of course I don’t agree with it. But I think you would agree that receiving those bodies carried in coffins is quite different from having having them dumped in naked and unidentified in blue plastic sheets by a large dumper truck at mass graves or check points, which is the way the IDF have handed over Palestinian bodies, if they get them back at all.

Palestinians don’t have bomb shelters. They have tents. Israelis have bomb shelters. I know which one I’d rather be in.
I’ve seen footage of Arabs, SE Asians and Black people not allowed into Israeli bomb shelters. Not that it’s a blanket policy, but it’s happened in some places.

And finally to your scoffing at Israel-dwelling Palestinians being unsafe. Just have a look at the scenes on Israel day in Jerusalem. Crowds of far-right hooligans - all men - turning up to destroy shops, drag out the Palestinian proprietors and beat them in the street while.

No. I don’t think Israeli’s think they are lucky.
I think the far-right government do. It keeps Netenyahu from jail, gives settlers carte blanch and the far-right relevant. They have ample support from the majority of Israelis. My heart to those Israelis who stand up to this.

I’m an English teacher. It’s rare that I misuse words. People who are concentrated into a small area and not allowed to leave for reasons of ‘state security, exploitation or punishment’ and are placed in such camps because they are members of ‘a particular ethnic group’ - which would apply if this were to go ahead - are in a concentration camp. It is one of the definitions of the term. It is not the only definition. People may prefer not to use it out of respect for Jews and what it means to them - but ultimately, that is what it means to them, not what it actually means.

I think you are being obtuse. Here’s just ONE example.

In 2015, Hadid stated in a post on Instagram: "...[W]e became refugees to Syria and we lost our home in Safad to a Jewish family that we sheltered when they were refugees from Poland on the ship that was sailing from country to country and no one would take them... they were our guest for 2 years till they made us refugees and they kicked us out of our own home."[13]

The only froth on me is from my cappuccino.

I stand by my comment.

No way would Hamas have held out this long if they were given the same global condemnation as the aggressor that Israel has been given as the victim. They’d have made a deal to run and hide somewhere long before now.

still only approx 1.5% of the population have perished.

I can’t believe what I’ve just read. Only? Only? These are human beings, people, men, women and children. Unbelievable

Oh Wow. That has to be the truth then. His daughters are supermodels after all.

I think the government feel lucky that they have been given the green light to destroy Gaza and move on to ethnic cleansing. Absolutely they do. Netanyahu never wanted the settlers to leave Gaza, he threw a big hissy fit over it at the time. Now is his big chance to clear it and the other ghouls in government like Katz and Ben Gvir are positively salivating at the idea.

He also changed his story a bit -

In 1989, Hadid stated his father left because he "did not want the family to live under the Israeli occupation."

I don't really have time to layout how pervasive antisemitism is in the middle east. At the lowest end, I have seen first-hand the "Hamas Style" militants, willing to torture innocent people for imaginary "collaboration" with "the Jews", and at the more subtle end I have seen highly westernised and educated people who strongly advocate for human rights display a fundamental belief that self-determination applies to everyone except Jews. Recently a close friend who was highly active in feminism and had been raped herself by militants some years ago, turn her face away and roll her eyes at the suggestion of sexual violence on 7 October.

It isn't just about this being normalised (and it completely is) but the education on it isn't there. I learned properly about antisemitism and the Holocaust in my 30s when I did a degree that closely studied it and was led down a path of my own research. If you look around at the way people behave even in Britain where Jews are concerned, this is magnified many times over in the middle east. The only place I think making some progress with this is the UAE, where they seem to be educating people, albeit not all want to take it on board.

You are so blinded by your hate that you can't see past that. You can't see that many people GENUINELY care that Palestinians are being killed in their thousands every single week.

Can you answer any of my questions? I wasn't obtuse, I was very direct.

In answer to yours, the Hadid story I believe falls into the 3rd paragraph of mine, as a result of the law passed after the 1948 Arab / Israeli war. In which case you could answer as to whether or not you believe all land added to Israel as a result of war should be returned? And all other wars too? Or is it just Israel that should return territory annexed in war?

This is how low things have reached unfortunately.

My personal take on the plan for a sealed “humanitarian city,” is that the plan is extremely unlikely to go ahead. It faces strong resistance from the Israeli military who warn it would obstruct military objectives and violate international law. Key international mediators have also objected. While elements of the plan may be under discussion, the legal, logistical, and political obstacles - along with Israel’s need for international legitimacy - make its full implementation improbable. I think a lot of ideas and proposals will come forward in the coming weeks and months and people should apply a portion of scepticism to things until there is some kind of unified international statement on it.

But what is certainly true is that whatever is proposed people will be unhappy with. As I said, Gaza is a warzone and people will need to live somewhere. In my view they should be moved out of Gaza for it to be reconstructed, as this is simply best for the population and in particular the children, but many would classify this logical action as "ethnic cleansing". Hopefully at least those who wish to leave will be given that option.

It is simply not true from a human perspective that living on "your land" is the most important thing in life. Speaking from first hand experience, sometimes you can make a better life for your children by getting away from violence.

And his daughters’ careers discredits his story how?

I don’t hate anyone actually in direct contrast to pro-Palestinians who chant death threats to people they’ve never met from a foreign country.

I’m interested to know why all these people GENUINELY care that Palestinians are being killed every single week though. Probably not thousands as the war has been going on for 21 months so a quick maths calculation in my head tells me that Hamas’s own figures would be much higher if that was the case - bit more hyperbole there!

Do you only GENUINELY care about Palestinians? What about the Sudanese, Ukrainians, Yemenis, Congolese?

What is so special about the Palestinians that has invoked global mass protests, mass boycotting and criminal damage, letters to MPs, attacks and murders of people in other countries, a constant stream of SM, TV and news stories, a whole industry of Palestinian flags and keffiyehs, Freedom flotillas, over 2000 threads on a parenting chat forum, and the total demonisation and condemnation of the country they committed horrific atrocities on?

Ah! I think I might know.

UNDER THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION. There you have it.

Well it looks like he changed his story after he got a bit more of a platform after his daughters’ success.

See my post of 9.18. That bold bit was from the same place you got your information from.

What is it that you know and are implying?

Sorry responded to the wrong person, will respond to this in a second

There were many aspects of this war that people thought were unlikely to go ahead or was just some sort of sick joke. When Trump first mentioned his plan people said it was just a spoof and wouldn't be taken seriously. When the Israelis first said they wanted to clear out northern Gaza, people said it wouldn't really happen but Netanyahu is still insisting on it and only opened aid hubs in the south and centre to push for this.

There are many things people thought would not happen but did.