Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury? (Part 2)

[HellsBalls]

Bob Vylan crying in their cornflakes after having their US visas revoked.
This is pretty serious as one ESTA question is ‘Have you ever been denied a U.S. visa you applied for with your current or previous passport, or have you ever been refused admission to the United States or withdrawn your application for admission at a U.S. port of entry?’

So no US work or holidays in the future for them.

Also three festivals have dropped them, so far.

Freedom of speech yes, freedom from the consequences, no.

They started this conflict which is the one under discussion.

Because it’s a festival that reaches millions through BBC coverage and social media?

Waving a flag in solidarity and to remind the world of the Gazan plight?

Send a message that people know what’s happening and care?

So many reasons for flags in particular.

As I said before, there were also many other activities across the weekend that brought likeminded people together to share ideas.

It's going to be really hard for us to quantify unless we ask all the people there doing it.

A wonderful speaker I follow has raised the question, why aren't people at a festival actually standing in support and memory of those massacred at another festival? That would be appropriate. Commemorate those massacred at a festival whilst I enjoy this festival??

Do the pro Palestinian supporters understand what they are supporting and what that would look like. I fear they wouldn't. I believe they're clueless.

I'm not sure how prolific the Queers for Palestine movement is. This is the epitome of insanity. 🤦How many with their flags at Glastonbury are of this same mental ilk?

It's going to be difficult to quantify without interviews. Yet, the dominance of this over reference to a prior festival of death signals something messed up to me.

It feels like be kind, I'm good, look at me, wokery shite.

I feel for the Jewish community watching this tbh. I'm not of any faith, I'm tucked away. I however believe them when they tell their stories of extreme discomfort amongst this. It symbolises much more than it appears.

This is all ‘I feel’ and ‘seems to me’.

It’s not based on anything other than assumptions and stereotypes with a good deal of Islamophobia thrown in.

It isn’t for you to determine what is an appropriate outpouring of feeling. It’s up to the attendees.

I absolutely stand in solidarity and heartbreak for the young people killed and kidnapped on October 7th. I have so much more in common with them than I do with a Gazan family.

But that doesn’t make me unaware of the suffering of the Gazans or any less invested in calling for an end to the (alleged, likely) genocide.

Is that you Titania?

er, yes Oberon?

which part of the post you refer to is islamophobic?

The thinly veiled bit about ‘do they know what they are calling for’.

I know Muslims who manage to reconcile being gay or drinking or having extramarital sex with their beliefs. Same with gay christians I know.

All Abrahamic religions, taken to extremes, are horrific. Moderate Islam is no worse than Moderate Christianity or Judaism.

Personally, I don’t believe any of it and know it has no place in determining social conventions or rules, but sadly my leftist wokery also leads me towards letting others believe what they want (as long as it doesn’t impinge on the lives of others).

Well said Chipboard
This is also what I inferred as being Islamophobic too. I am also not sure what relevance one’s attitude towards women’s rights and LBQT+ has anything to do with the concerns about alleged genocide. It’s a way of “othering” Palestinians so they are seen as less deserving. Quite shameful really.

Do the pro Palestinian supporters understand what they are supporting and what that would look like. I fear they wouldn't. I believe they're clueless.

Are you referring to this part?

So many 'pro-palestinians' seem to be referring to hamas as resistance fighters. Distaste for this viewpoint is not islamophobia. Not seeing hamas and their ilk for the murderous mafia that they are is clueless imo. Are they capable of moderating their stance? Their methods of crowd control aren't very liberal, but the far left might recognise them.

The atrocities of the so-called islamic state are well documented but it still has it's followers in the UK, that really is something to be scared of, and that's just the way they seem to like it.

😆 😆

MumsNet - I can't recall exactly what I said at 17.30 that was against guidelines. Post deleted.

Would it be possible to email me?

I briefly recall it being my request for clarification on how I'm Islamaphobic. I think I used the word barbaric - which I stand by. I don't recall the other content.

Is it possible to have clarification so I'm aware going forward?

That’s not how I read it - informed by a few other posts by this person, including at least one that has been deleted for its Islamophobic rhetoric.

I completely disagree that the pro Palestine movement sees Hamas as heroes of the resistance. Do some of them understand why Hamas, in all its vileness, has emerged? Yes. But understanding how terrorism and barbarity has taken hold in some people forced to live under occupation and continued encroachment is not the same as condoning their evil deeds or supporting their survival.

What they did on Oct 7th, what they have done to Israelis before and after, what they have done to their own countrymen is abhorrent.

But supporting Palestine is not the same as supporting Hamas. To dismiss pro-Palestinian activists as pro-Hamas is disingenuous and disgraceful.

And the genocide of a people is not the way to rid our world of extremists and murderous terrorists; it’s the way to create the next generation.

It was along the lines of Islam being a barbaric and evil religion.

Hate speech.

@Chipboard in all honesty, I would not fully understand the implications of 'Free Palestine' and what I would be calling for. I would not fully appreciate the implications of death to the IDF had I been stood in that crowd. With all sincerity, I would not have thought at that moment about the Jewish population in the crowd. Now I do. Now I see a wider context. As I can't possibly comprehend all this, I wouldn't jump on this bandwagon. And I truly believe so many are jumping on a bandwagon at Glastonbury.

This reflection isn't thinly veiled.

I appreciate there are two separate underlying things I reference. The Islam problem ( for me) and the Glasto people I perceive as lacking in wider understanding. And I'm derailing somewhat potentially.

I won't be getting any flags out.

No one is asking you to.

But you don’t need to dismiss those who do as bandwagon jumpers, too poorly informed or thick to understand the nuances involved in the Middle East.

Even if all they understand is that a population in a small slice of land many thousands of miles away is living under a terrorist leadership and being bombed to oblivion by their neighbours, and all they can think to do about it is wave a flag in solidarity, it’s not for others to sneer at them and belittle their efforts.

No, hate speech is not allowed. If you don’t even understand that, perhaps the Middle East crisis isn’t the topic for you.

I shudder to think what your flags would say.

Have a think and let me know. Inspire me Chipboard. 🤗

🤣

fuck no. What a shit prospect.

This. 💯

Not disingenuous or disgraceful to comment on it if you saw the hamas cosplayers, jihadi sympathisers and those who celebrated 7/10 as it was still happening and knowing what it involved.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/26/police-hunts-for-man-utd-fan-in-shirt-with-hamas-7-printed/