Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury? (Part 2)

[HellsBalls]

Bob Vylan crying in their cornflakes after having their US visas revoked.
This is pretty serious as one ESTA question is ‘Have you ever been denied a U.S. visa you applied for with your current or previous passport, or have you ever been refused admission to the United States or withdrawn your application for admission at a U.S. port of entry?’

So no US work or holidays in the future for them.

Also three festivals have dropped them, so far.

Freedom of speech yes, freedom from the consequences, no.

@sualipa so you are quoting Rod Stewart as being something worth listening to say when he talks about "I don't know how they sleep at night" but dismiss his opinion when he says "give Reform a chance".

Is he someone whose opinion you rate highly or not? Or is he just someone who happens to have a voice because of his job but isn't particularly representative of you or me in his declarations.

I would say don't "get rid of them all" if he means the IDF because then Hamas would have free rein to carry on trying to finish the job they started on October 7th of killing as many Jews as possible. And also, don't give Reform a chance.

What people with a voice should be calling for is for both sides to agree to terms and end this war. You're sounding a bit desperate if you think quoting Rod Stewart strengthens your argument. He's just a person with opinions.

I wasn't aware but you are right they are a 'tankie', pro-Assadist, pro-Iran most probably shill website that I tend to avoid but someone else posted the screengrab on 'X' monikered by them but thanks for the clarification. Here's the original Instagram post. The force of his anger is palpable and rightly so but he may have over egged his post with this opioid accusation.

https://www.turkiyetoday.com/region/german-film-score-composer-hans-zimmer-deletes-his-pro-palestine-instagram-post-3203803

The move drew particular attention given Zimmer’s longstanding ties to Israel: earlier this year, his music was performed by the International Symphony Orchestra in a series of concerts held in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Beersheba. In 2014, Zimmer helped raise $1.2 million for the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, where he was honored with a lifetime achievement award.

Its bizarre isnt it? Stewart is obviously a very stupid man if he considers for a second that the consequences for Hamas of a war they started (whatever you think of the way the war is being conducted) are in any way comparable to the deliberate, systematic, industrial murder of 6 million Jewish people in the Holocaust. And I'm not sure what sharing proves, other than that we seem to have to hear when every idiot thinks about this conflict (though not any others).

'May have over egged'

What's a bit of hyperbole and exaggerration when it comes to Israel eh?

You previously asked me not to reply to you or tag you, and I’ve respected that. I’d now like to respectfully ask that you do the same. Of course, everyone is free to comment or contribute to any discussion as they see fit, and I hope MN continues to be a place for open, lightly moderated, and respectful conversation.

That was in relation to a previous conversation, not for ever more! Sorry this is a public forum. I think my point is a valid one but you can of course ignore me if you wish.

This thread was, I believe, was started to discuss Glastonbury in particular, the appearances of Kneecap and, more recently, Bob Vylan. Kneecap were, it seems, effectively blacklisted from BBC coverage, while Bob Vylan caused controversy for his outspoken live TV comments, which included supposed death threats to the IDF.

I thought it worth noting that Rod Stewart a "Legends" headliner I briefly saw at the Pyramid Stage, and later caught glimpses of via the comfort of the press tent also expressed views on the Israel–Gaza conflict. Until then, I'd only known him as a tax-dodging, moaning Tory, so I was surprised to hear he had political views on such a complex issue.

If the bar for discussion is that "gobshite pop artists" shouldn’t express opinions on nuanced political matters, then the entire premise of this thread is questionable. And if that's the case fair enough, I’ll buy that.

Fair enough I prefer to engage rather than flounce off in a huff !

To be clear @sualipa l think you are being hypocritical in posting Rod Stewart's opinions as if he has some insight into the matter when you don't generally agree with his political opinions.

Only when they happen to coincide with yours do you consider Rod Stewart a credible person to listen to.

Let's bomb Glastonbury ! (but with a small yield nuclear weapon) - it would certainly make the recycling easier and get rid of Billy Bragg so not all bad.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/and-now-lets-bomb-glastonbury/

The terrorists, Palestine Action Group remind me of Antifa. Hard left groups, who are out to cause as much trouble and destruction as possible. They intimidate other groups of people, you know, like women and the Jewish. Any flag, that represents that rabble, shouldn't be anywhere near live streamed concerts. It's nothing more than ego massaging for these idiots.

Rod Liddle wasn't joking....

Tongue in cheek of course but an amusing article.

Hot Fuzz beat him to the idea of an Uber clique getting rid of all their undesirables and it was funnier.

@sualipa I haven't been able to go through all the videos. I appreciate I'm derailing a bit often.

The original thread issue - I think oh stop and shut up celebs, please. For one main reason; I don't they actually get it entirely in it's complexity, there is a wokery movement at times to add. And I don't like much of it. The question might be, does it matter? How much influence helps determine that. I can't always answer that. How much influence do they have on stage here? I noted the impact on anyone who is Jewish in that crowd as a huge issue for me.

I really enjoy D.Murray. He speaks sense to me. However, there can be elements of bias so we can't always know something reported is fact. I believe a great deal which he writes and reports on.

I believe T Robinson also speaks a great deal of truth. His experience has informed his views and feelings. He is at the forefront of a problem where a religion is directly impacting that environment. I see that absolutely.

Is he questionable in other ways? He really could be. I am unclear exactly regarding his role in the EDL as an example. Do I believe he's necessarily racist? I don't. Could he be a wrongun? He could. I don't close doors off to these considerations.

Do I believe we have people who don't deserve to feel vulnerable because they're through no fault of theirs part of a religious community? I hate the idea of anyone bullied and targeted. I think of women and children and I'm thinking exactly of individuals who are Muslims.
This part is uncomfortable and difficult. I believe however that if certain things aren't addressed the backlash will be horrible and people who don't deserve it will be dragged in potentially. That's those people I just highlighted.

I am trying to understand more because simplicity of thinking is the thing I believe is part of the celeb at Glastonbury issue. So I'm always open. I have a firm view on religion. I don't like the fundamentals of one particularly for reasons I'm ok to be educated on.

I heard one young female singer shouted 'down with Farage. 'Again I felt - yes, he is not my idea at all of who I want in charge, I find it a bit concerning ref what he would do. But, do you understand there are elements of a problem that he flags up. That people living lives I don't and she doesn't are experiencing. It's naive and maybe dangerous to talk about things you don't understand if your influence is great. She might have none tbh. I'm not sure on that.

I don't there is any doubt that Yaxley Lennon is 'questionable'. I think he is a racist and I don't know any Jewish person who thinks he is a friend to their community. Same with Farage. They are opportunists who exploit and exacerbate division for their own political ends.

I can believe and agree with someone who feels he is no fan of the Jewish community. I don't discount it. I am not a ' fan' of anyone. I do believe much of what he says and is uncomfortable with. And I could understand it.

I really do enjoy Douglas Murray. I'm not equating him as the same person.

I'm on the fence regarding the undercurrent potentially. I don't believe he's racist. If I saw and experienced things I'd totally say yes I hear you and happily change position. I do also accept things can be really hidden and covert and it doesn't automatically rule it out. I still hear things he reflects on and absolutely get this position.

I think like this about Elon Musk. He comes out with great point and I think yes I absolutely get that. I also think wtaf about many many things he says and represents.

Understanding intent is the problem we can't always pin down.

Just because someone occasionally says something right or that you agree with doesn't cancel out other things. Yaxley-Lennon is a thug. I didn't say he was no fan of the Jewish community - not sure any Jewish people are looking for fans. I said he was no friend because he exploits their concerns to get at his main target which is muslims.

What I meant there was I am no fan of T Robinson. I don't throw myself totally in to someone if there are question marks.

The part I don't feel clear about is the EDL element. I know nothing about his position on the Jewish community. As he gets more known I believe he would jump on something potentially to align with others. Yes. Exploit? Yes I could believe that.

I do entirely agree with things he is highlighting. That never cancels out anything questionable to me. I don't adhere to that mindset as much as I hope I'm not.

I have not lived and experienced what he has. I absolutely believe that experience he talks about. I understand it.

I am an atheist to be clear. I am not a follower of religion. I really am very uncomfortable with Islam. I don't like this particularly. I am making many points here hence raising this.

If this feels racist, I'm not going down ' my best friends black' road or defending that. I know I don't need to.

I understand with evidence of questionable behaviour - saying you agree with the points of someone can be interpreted as you being the same as them on all things. Absolutely not so.

Happy to be schooled. I backtrack on lots of things and am ok with that when I'm wrong.

Anyway Glastonbury is long over and it's a fallow year next year so probably time to give it a rest. Nadine Shah playing to virtually no-one on the West Holt's Stage was my stand out performance but you won't have seen it on TV or mentioned in the press.

I've never heard of her. I looked her up. I like her voice. She seems political in voice and lyrics. I don't fully appreciate her position not knowing her history.

Her life back story I briefly skimmed very much grabbed me more than anything tbh. Her personal experiences and demons make her relatable.

I think that the Israelis believe that have gone too far to stop, they have caused such destruction and pain that they will never feel safe whilst there are Palestinians left in the territory.
The tail end of Hamas probably also understand this so have nothing to loose, even if they are merely delaying the inevitable.

It is a massive tragedy for all humanity

It is a massive tragedy for all humanity.

Hamas have nothing more to lose or gain by continuing, just more deaths of their own people.

The former first minister of Scotland, Humza Yousaf

‘They’re not building a humanitarian city. They’re building a slaughterhouse. That’s what Israel’s defence minister has just announced- a plan to forcibly move Palestinians into what they’re calling a humanitarian city. Built on the ruins of Rafah. Let’s call it what it really is, a modern day internment camp. This isn’t about safety. It’s about control, containment, collective punishment. It’s about taking a population already starved, bombed and brutalised and herding them into a man-made prison with simply no way out.

And remember, this is the same Israeli government that has repeatedly ignored international law. The same Israeli government that has systematically targeted civilians, hospitals and workers and journalists. You think that they’re the ones who are suddenly concerned with humanitarian care? No. This is a staging ground for more bloodshed. A death trap disguised as compassion. We are watching in real time the architecture of genocide with bulldozers instead of barbed wire. This isn’t a safe zone. It’s a siege zone. And the worst part? They’ll dress it up in the language of aid and expect the world to clap.

Don’t be fooled. Dont let them rename oppression as mercy. this isn’t a humanitarian city. It’s a crime scene under construction.’

Forgive my naiveté - is it an option for the Palestinian people to be welcomed and taken in by neighbouring countries/ regions with an Islamic culture predominating?

I appreciate you could say why bloody should the people abandon their homeland too. Yet, there's no other place on earth is there that is a Jewish Homeland except this?

I'm ok to be educated for ignorance. Please avoid ripping one a new arsehole 🤗.