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Conflict in the Middle East

Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury? (Part 2)

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HellsBalls · 02/07/2025 16:16

Bob Vylan crying in their cornflakes after having their US visas revoked.
This is pretty serious as one ESTA question is ‘Have you ever been denied a U.S. visa you applied for with your current or previous passport, or have you ever been refused admission to the United States or withdrawn your application for admission at a U.S. port of entry?’

So no US work or holidays in the future for them.

Also three festivals have dropped them, so far.

Freedom of speech yes, freedom from the consequences, no.

Who are Bob Vylan? The British punks who had their US visas revoked for anti-IDF chants

The group’s ‘death to the IDF’ chant at Glastonbury ignited a firestorm – and prompted action from the US state department

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/jul/02/bob-vylan-glastonbury-band

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1dayatatime · 10/07/2025 00:52

@JoyDivision79

"Forgive my naiveté - is it an option for the Palestinian people to be welcomed and taken in by neighbouring countries/ regions with an Islamic culture predominating?"

Not naive because that option has been tried in the past.

After the 1967 war, Jordan welcomed large numbers of Palestinian refugees. However within 3 years the Palestinian leadership (PLO) repaid this kind hospitality with an attempt to take over Jordan with a civil war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

The Palestinians were then expelled to Lebanon where in 1975-1983 they started another civil war with Lebanon's predominantly Christian Government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LebaneseCivill_War

The Palestinian were then expelled to Tunisia in 1982 until 1994 when the PLO agreed a peace deal with Israel recognising the right for the state of Israel to exist. This deal was strongly opposed by many Palestinians and led to the growing support for Hamas and PIJ.

Lastly some Palestinians sought refuge in Kuwait where they kindly repaid the hospitality by actively siding with Iraq in its invasion of Kuwait. After the first Gulf War the Kuwaitis promptly expelled the Palestinians.

So as you can see there is a bit of a theme here about what happens when Muslim Middle Eastern countries offer refuge to the Palestinians which maybe why they are reluctant to do it again.

from where they organised several terrorist attacks

HellsBalls · 10/07/2025 05:42

Reported in Bild

So far, the shows in Cologne (September 13), Hamburg (September 16), Leipzig (September 20), and Frankfurt (September 26) have been canceled. The concerts in Cottbus (September 18), Berlin (September 19), Munich (September 25), and Stuttgart (September 27) are also likely to be canceled.
Cologne's Live Music Hall had already reacted immediately after the anti- Israel scandal. The venue told the "Kölner Stadtanzeiger" newspaper: "Together with local promoter Prime Entertainment, we have decided not to allow the artist Bob Vylan to perform here at the Live Music Hall. We do not want to offer our stage to someone like that."
Leipzig's Felsenkeller also reacted immediately to the scandal. Owner Jörg Folta told BILD: "Of course, Bob Vylan will not perform at the Felsenkeller. The performance was canceled last week. The Felsenkeller's motto remains: We stand with Israel!"

Israel: Aktuelle News und Videos | BILD.de

Aktuelle Nachrichten und Infos sowie Bilder und Videos zum Thema Israel. Meldungen und News zu Politik, Gesellschaft, Wirtschaft und Kultur.

https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/israel/thema-israel-alle-infos-80028948.bild.html

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mids2019 · 10/07/2025 05:57

It's all.gone wrong for Bob Vylan hasn't it????

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 06:07

mids2019 · 10/07/2025 05:57

It's all.gone wrong for Bob Vylan hasn't it????

Yes … they were living in too much of an echo chamber to realise that not everyone holds the views they do and that many find their views offensive when expressed so violently.

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 06:12

1dayatatime · 10/07/2025 00:52

@JoyDivision79

"Forgive my naiveté - is it an option for the Palestinian people to be welcomed and taken in by neighbouring countries/ regions with an Islamic culture predominating?"

Not naive because that option has been tried in the past.

After the 1967 war, Jordan welcomed large numbers of Palestinian refugees. However within 3 years the Palestinian leadership (PLO) repaid this kind hospitality with an attempt to take over Jordan with a civil war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

The Palestinians were then expelled to Lebanon where in 1975-1983 they started another civil war with Lebanon's predominantly Christian Government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LebaneseCivill_War

The Palestinian were then expelled to Tunisia in 1982 until 1994 when the PLO agreed a peace deal with Israel recognising the right for the state of Israel to exist. This deal was strongly opposed by many Palestinians and led to the growing support for Hamas and PIJ.

Lastly some Palestinians sought refuge in Kuwait where they kindly repaid the hospitality by actively siding with Iraq in its invasion of Kuwait. After the first Gulf War the Kuwaitis promptly expelled the Palestinians.

So as you can see there is a bit of a theme here about what happens when Muslim Middle Eastern countries offer refuge to the Palestinians which maybe why they are reluctant to do it again.

from where they organised several terrorist attacks

Netanyahu seems to think that some Palestinians will choose to leave Gaza soon - I am wondering which countries are likely to be open to accepting them given what you say above?

HellsBalls · 10/07/2025 06:13

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Twiglets1 · 11/07/2025 21:15

BBC may lose Glastonbury rights

It has been reported that US tech giants are hoping to outbid the BBC and take over as the principal broadcaster of the annual festival.

The i paper has reported that both YouTube, owned by Google, and Amazon Music are said to be interested in wrestling the rights from the BBC.

This year’s festival was marred by the broadcast of a set by the band Bob Vylan, during which the act led chants of “death to the IDF”.

Pascal Robinson-Foster, the lead singer, also sang that Britons could not “have their country back” in front of a banner declaring that the UK was built “on the backs of immigrants”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/bbc-may-lose-glastonbury-rights/

Dangermoo · 13/07/2025 08:20

Chipboard · 04/07/2025 09:15

I wasn’t at that particular performance but I saw Israeli flags flown. No-one was lynched.

On the most part, everything I experienced was peace and love.

What is happening in Palestine is disgraceful. What happened on October 7th was abhorrent.

Hamas must be destroyed, but the cost cannot be wiping out Gaza and its people. Israel must stop settlements and apartheid.

I believe ‘death to the IDF’ was a call to dismantle an organisation that has committed war crimes according to much of the international community. It was stupid, poorly worded, and has distracted from the more important conversation.

It has also overshadowed the important place art and culture - especially a festival like Glastonbury - has in educating and inspiring people to engage with the injustices of the world.

There were plenty of nobs at Glastonbury, mainly of the gammon variety, burnt crimson, swilling warm lager and throwing rubbish on the floor. But the core was still one of peace and hope.

Why are you using the racist term, gammon?

Dangermoo · 13/07/2025 08:23

More arrests within the terrorist Palestine Action group. Interesting how all this protesting for peace are coming those who incite hate; that's the left for you.

JoyDivision79 · 13/07/2025 09:28

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Dangermoo · 13/07/2025 09:33

Oh the naive brigade, with their keffiyehs. Absolutely cringeworthy. Then again, those who wear them are always confused about identity. I bet Amazon is laughing all the way to the bank, with the sale of those.

sualipa · 14/07/2025 15:37

Crikey, you're still banging on about Glastonbury – give it a rest. No one who was actually there gives a fig about all this manufactured outrage. It’s the world’s greatest music and contemporary arts festival. Sure, a place that size has its challenges, but for five glorious days, nearly 220,000 people came together – friendly, cheerful, and respectful. This year saw no laddishness, no aggro – nothing remotely like the average Saturday night in most UK towns.

Meanwhile, children are being vaporised trying to get water from a standpipe or queuing desperately for food, and the British press is almost silent. Maybe direct your outrage there instead.

Twiglets1 · 14/07/2025 17:54

sualipa · 14/07/2025 15:37

Crikey, you're still banging on about Glastonbury – give it a rest. No one who was actually there gives a fig about all this manufactured outrage. It’s the world’s greatest music and contemporary arts festival. Sure, a place that size has its challenges, but for five glorious days, nearly 220,000 people came together – friendly, cheerful, and respectful. This year saw no laddishness, no aggro – nothing remotely like the average Saturday night in most UK towns.

Meanwhile, children are being vaporised trying to get water from a standpipe or queuing desperately for food, and the British press is almost silent. Maybe direct your outrage there instead.

No aggro 😂

Twiglets1 · 14/07/2025 17:55

“friendly, cheerful and respectful” as they chanted along to death to the IDF.

Priceless!

SharonEllis · 14/07/2025 18:04

Twiglets1 · 14/07/2025 17:55

“friendly, cheerful and respectful” as they chanted along to death to the IDF.

Priceless!

Yeah! Who cares if a few Jewish people feel a bit 'uncomfortable'.

Twiglets1 · 14/07/2025 19:21

SharonEllis · 14/07/2025 18:04

Yeah! Who cares if a few Jewish people feel a bit 'uncomfortable'.

Shouldn’t be so sensitive should they? 🙃

DustyTangerine · 14/07/2025 21:31

sualipa · 14/07/2025 15:37

Crikey, you're still banging on about Glastonbury – give it a rest. No one who was actually there gives a fig about all this manufactured outrage. It’s the world’s greatest music and contemporary arts festival. Sure, a place that size has its challenges, but for five glorious days, nearly 220,000 people came together – friendly, cheerful, and respectful. This year saw no laddishness, no aggro – nothing remotely like the average Saturday night in most UK towns.

Meanwhile, children are being vaporised trying to get water from a standpipe or queuing desperately for food, and the British press is almost silent. Maybe direct your outrage there instead.

Vaporised?

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 17:28

@sualipa did you just say no aggro?

Did you tell people to give it a rest about Glastonbury, on a thread about Glastonbury?

Are you going to tell people they're 'over reacting ', ' too sensitive '?

It's legitimate to say that quite a number of people will have very much felt the aggro of hearing and observing what played out at Glastonbury.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/07/2025 15:10

Twiglets1 · 14/07/2025 19:21

Shouldn’t be so sensitive should they? 🙃

Yeah, people should calm down. Let the IDF get on with starving newborns to death and brutally murdering and maiming tens of thousands of innocent children.
What’s all the fuss about?

Stripes56 · 20/07/2025 18:51

Meanwhile, other musicians from uk and Ireland are forming a syndicate to support others who feel they are being censured in speaking out about their concerns about what’s happening in Gaza. There are concerns about the role of UK lawyers for Israel in censoring criticism:

““Because of our expressions of conscience, we’ve been subject to various intimidations from within our industry” and “legally via organised bodies such as UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI),” read a social media post by the band Massive Attack, a version of which has been shared by Kneecap and Fontaines D.C., as well as musician and producer Brian Eno.
The musicians said they are aware of “aggressive, vexatious campaigns operated by UKLFI and of multiple individual incidences of intimidation within the music industry itself” designed to censor and silence artists.
Because of our expressions of conscience, we’ve been subject to various intimidations from within our industry” and “legally via organised bodies such as UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI),” read a social media post by the band Massive Attack, a version of which has been shared by Kneecap and Fontaines D.C., as well as musician and producer Brian Eno.
The musicians said they are aware of “aggressive, vexatious campaigns operated by UKLFI and of multiple individual incidences of intimidation within the music industry itself” designed to censor and silence artists.

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/07/18/uk/kneecap-musicians-israel-gaza-uk-intl-hnk

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https://www.instagram.com/p/DMNt8dPIoKU/?hl=en&img_index=1

SharonEllis · 20/07/2025 18:59

Stripes56 · 20/07/2025 18:51

Meanwhile, other musicians from uk and Ireland are forming a syndicate to support others who feel they are being censured in speaking out about their concerns about what’s happening in Gaza. There are concerns about the role of UK lawyers for Israel in censoring criticism:

““Because of our expressions of conscience, we’ve been subject to various intimidations from within our industry” and “legally via organised bodies such as UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI),” read a social media post by the band Massive Attack, a version of which has been shared by Kneecap and Fontaines D.C., as well as musician and producer Brian Eno.
The musicians said they are aware of “aggressive, vexatious campaigns operated by UKLFI and of multiple individual incidences of intimidation within the music industry itself” designed to censor and silence artists.
Because of our expressions of conscience, we’ve been subject to various intimidations from within our industry” and “legally via organised bodies such as UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI),” read a social media post by the band Massive Attack, a version of which has been shared by Kneecap and Fontaines D.C., as well as musician and producer Brian Eno.
The musicians said they are aware of “aggressive, vexatious campaigns operated by UKLFI and of multiple individual incidences of intimidation within the music industry itself” designed to censor and silence artists.

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/07/18/uk/kneecap-musicians-israel-gaza-uk-intl-hnk

Give me a break. Eno has been an out and out antisemite for years.

Stripes56 · 20/07/2025 19:33

SharonEllis · 20/07/2025 18:59

Give me a break. Eno has been an out and out antisemite for years.

I had a quick google
He’s against settlers in the WB.
He’s for the BDS movement against Israel.
He’s critical of certain Israel policies towards Palestinians

Is this what makes him antisemitic?

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