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Conflict in the Middle East

Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury? (Part 2)

298 replies

HellsBalls · 02/07/2025 16:16

Bob Vylan crying in their cornflakes after having their US visas revoked.
This is pretty serious as one ESTA question is ‘Have you ever been denied a U.S. visa you applied for with your current or previous passport, or have you ever been refused admission to the United States or withdrawn your application for admission at a U.S. port of entry?’

So no US work or holidays in the future for them.

Also three festivals have dropped them, so far.

Freedom of speech yes, freedom from the consequences, no.

Who are Bob Vylan? The British punks who had their US visas revoked for anti-IDF chants

The group’s ‘death to the IDF’ chant at Glastonbury ignited a firestorm – and prompted action from the US state department

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/jul/02/bob-vylan-glastonbury-band

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Dangermoo · 03/07/2025 22:26

PersephoneSeethes · 03/07/2025 22:24

I’ve studied the whole conflict at university. I watched glued to the tv when Arafat rejected the very generous deal brokered by Clinton mainly because there was no right of return and they didn’t want to share Temple Mount. Bonkers. That was the best offer that has ever been presented to the Palestinians. Turns out Arafat was already preparing for the Second Intifada while at the Summit.

Unfortunately, the moderate Israeli leader Ehud Barak, in not getting the Deal signed weakened the moderate Israeli position possibly permanently and ushered in Netanyahu’s power plays.

Then in 2005, after the Second Intifada, there were free elections and the Palestinians chose Hamas, an Iranian backed terror organisation, much like the Italian mafia, but worse. We all know how that has worked out for the Gazan’s.

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youreactinglikeafunmum · 03/07/2025 22:28

I think they could've made their point without the second chant. I liked them and have listened to their music prior to watching Glastonbury

Being on the no fly list is an insane reaction but I don't know what they expected 😕, and I dont know what their chants have done for the Palestinian cause, no matter how good it felt to let out the rage towards the evil idf

PersephoneSeethes · 03/07/2025 22:30

youreactinglikeafunmum · 03/07/2025 22:28

I think they could've made their point without the second chant. I liked them and have listened to their music prior to watching Glastonbury

Being on the no fly list is an insane reaction but I don't know what they expected 😕, and I dont know what their chants have done for the Palestinian cause, no matter how good it felt to let out the rage towards the evil idf

Bob Vylan could have made the point by yelling something like ‘*uck the IDF’, sentiment put forward but no death chants. Perfectly acceptable.

Dangermoo · 03/07/2025 22:35

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 22:23

How is it irrelevant to a thread where the OP says Bob Vylan crying in their cornflakes after having their US visas revoked. It's right there. First line.

Trump can deny me a visa if he has a problem with my 'personal attacks' against him and his homies.

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Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 22:37

PersephoneSeethes · 03/07/2025 22:30

Bob Vylan could have made the point by yelling something like ‘*uck the IDF’, sentiment put forward but no death chants. Perfectly acceptable.

Yes exactly.

Fuck the IDF would have got their political point across without taking it to the extremes of Kill the IDF that got them dumped by their agency/removed from upcoming festivals & music venues across Europe/ banned from America.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 03/07/2025 22:37

PersephoneSeethes · 03/07/2025 22:30

Bob Vylan could have made the point by yelling something like ‘*uck the IDF’, sentiment put forward but no death chants. Perfectly acceptable.

Completely agree

Given what's happened to the guy from kneecap, I dont know why he thought that him - a black man - would fare better 🤷‍♀️

youreactinglikeafunmum · 03/07/2025 22:38

Nothing scares me like being on the no fly list 😭 - on my best behaviour at the airport at all times

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 22:44

youreactinglikeafunmum · 03/07/2025 22:38

Nothing scares me like being on the no fly list 😭 - on my best behaviour at the airport at all times

You’re probably safe unless you start ranting about killing someone.

Dangermoo · 03/07/2025 22:45

The left do love their fuck (insert name here) mantra. It really is quite pathetic. Devoid of any originality and oozing with intolerance. How ironic.

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:00

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 22:44

You’re probably safe unless you start ranting about killing someone.

Unless you are Israeli then you can rant and kill and it's just fine because it's not about the 'ranting' and never was.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:02

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:00

Unless you are Israeli then you can rant and kill and it's just fine because it's not about the 'ranting' and never was.

No you can’t kill unless you are killing because it’s your actual job as a soldier in a war.

quantumbutterfly · 03/07/2025 23:07

Dangermoo · 03/07/2025 21:58

What's the colour of Vylan's skin got to do with it?

A bit of forced teaming I think.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:08

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 21:20

It's crazy isn't it. The US will welcome a man with a warrant out for his arrest for war crimes and crimes against humanity even give him a standing ovation but a black man speaking on stage is a step too far. Not to mention being pals(and then not pals and then pals again) with a man who threw a nazi salute on stage.

The hypocrisy of those who support Israel has really been laid bare this past while. At least some posters here have been honest and said that they don't care about people being starved and killed if they are Palestinian, I'd respect politicians more if they would own up to the same.

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Who said they don’t care about people being starved and killed if they are Palestinian?

No one said that.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:09

quantumbutterfly · 03/07/2025 23:07

A bit of forced teaming I think.

Yup… Vylan’s skin colour is irrelevant to what happened.

Same for Kneecap.

TaraTomsmum · 03/07/2025 23:11

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:02

No you can’t kill unless you are killing because it’s your actual job as a soldier in a war.

There are rules in a war too. Israel
has broken them all.

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:12

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:02

No you can’t kill unless you are killing because it’s your actual job as a soldier in a war.

Like the settlers who Donald revoked sanctions against those 'soldiers'? Ben Gvir the convicted terrorist supporter that 'soldier'? Netanyahu the man with a warrant out for his arrest for crimes against humanity? You think those people have just been doing their jobs?

You genuinely believe that what Bob Vylan did is worse than what those people have done?

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:12

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:08

Who said they don’t care about people being starved and killed if they are Palestinian?

No one said that.

They have. I'm not going to name names but some have been extremely blunt about it.

quantumbutterfly · 03/07/2025 23:13

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 22:44

You’re probably safe unless you start ranting about killing someone.

Or there was that idiot who 'joked' about having a bomb in his luggage.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:16

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:12

Like the settlers who Donald revoked sanctions against those 'soldiers'? Ben Gvir the convicted terrorist supporter that 'soldier'? Netanyahu the man with a warrant out for his arrest for crimes against humanity? You think those people have just been doing their jobs?

You genuinely believe that what Bob Vylan did is worse than what those people have done?

No I don’t believe that what Bob Vylan did is worse than all those people but they still deserve to face a police investigation for their actions at Glastonbury.

Shenmen · 03/07/2025 23:17

HellsBalls · 03/07/2025 20:56

Well the rest of you are pro-Palestine, I’m pro-Israel.
Neither of us are going to change sides or meet in the middle.
I’m still correct though that Hamas are terrorists. They did start this war. They don’t care for normal Gazans. They are being picked off by the IDF. They cannot win. They will lose. They triggered the destruction to Gaza. The Western governments are 100% behind Israel.
Israel will prevail.

Some of us are pro-not murdering anyway in anyway. Or more accurately pro peace.

(Also I'm sure it's been pointed out but its nobs unless you think there are lots of doors at festivals).

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:18

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:12

They have. I'm not going to name names but some have been extremely blunt about it.

I don’t think they would have phrased it like that more like you interpreted it like that because they said shit happens in wars or something like that.

You do tend to be rather dramatic you know.

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:23

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:16

No I don’t believe that what Bob Vylan did is worse than all those people but they still deserve to face a police investigation for their actions at Glastonbury.

I'm talking about the US revoking their visas and not those of the people mentioned. If its about Bob Vylans actions and nothing else then it doesn't make sense that those others are let into the US unless something else is at play does it?

NiMaithLiomDeLuain · 03/07/2025 23:23

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:18

I don’t think they would have phrased it like that more like you interpreted it like that because they said shit happens in wars or something like that.

You do tend to be rather dramatic you know.

I believe one of them phrased it like 'I don't give a fuck about Palestinians'.

quantumbutterfly · 03/07/2025 23:24

Shenmen · 03/07/2025 23:17

Some of us are pro-not murdering anyway in anyway. Or more accurately pro peace.

(Also I'm sure it's been pointed out but its nobs unless you think there are lots of doors at festivals).

Knob with a silent k round our way if you're being a bell-end, otherwise it means a bit nobby, but I don't think the suggestion is that Bob is a nob because he's double-barrelled.

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2025 23:26

quantumbutterfly · 03/07/2025 23:24

Knob with a silent k round our way if you're being a bell-end, otherwise it means a bit nobby, but I don't think the suggestion is that Bob is a nob because he's double-barrelled.

Definitely knob with a silent k.