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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli flag flyers threatened with arrest after being attacked by Pro-Palestine mob.

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PickyBits · 24/06/2025 22:56

This is just unbelievable. These ‘protesters’ are being given free rein to threaten and assault pro-Israelis (Jewish) because ‘there’s 500 of them and 2 of you’.

Police not interested in doing their job, which is upholding the law I thought?

Just sickening that this country has come to this.

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1937534677520134516

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1937534677520134516

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izthiszeend · 25/06/2025 11:29

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:09

Oh good grief! Yes they did start it. Stop infantilising Palestinians. Allow them the agency they took as human beings. They committed a horrifying terrorist action and they revelled in it.

(the West Bank was part of Jordan until Arab states invaded Israel in 1967 and lost, after which it was ceded to Israel. So why Palestinians tried to settle - colonise? - the area I have no idea. Israel hasn't been in Gaza for decades, it's long past time for Palestine to stand on its own two feet rather than demand Israel supplies - not controls - its water etc)

Ahistorical

Babyboomtastic · 25/06/2025 11:31

Spin this as anti Jewish if you want because it fits your narrative better.

Though they were supporting Israel which had nothing to do with being Jewish, so that makes no sense right - we've all been told repeatedly how important it is to not conflate the two.

Its not about being anti Jewish or anti Israel. It's about some unpleasant people trying to pick a fight.

Do I think all UK Russians support Russia's war in Ukraine - no. But it would be unpleasant and provocative to go to a march for peace in Ukraine and wave a Russian flag.

It would be unpleasant and provocative to try and give out bacon sandwiches at a veganism rally.

I'm passionately GC, but I wouldn't turn up at a trans right march with an 'adult woman female' t shirt on. Because I value my safety, they have a right to protest and most significantly, because I'm not a dick.

Eolhc1990 · 25/06/2025 11:32

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:16

I'd do absolutely nothing. I wouldn't kill anyone, I wouldn't cheer the rape and torture of anyone, I wouldn't be involved in invading another country. What would you do?

You wouldn't do anything? If a group came to the house your family owned for generations and took it from you viliently assaulting all the men women and children there, if your child was kidnapped? If your father was abducted, starved and tortured held without trial for decades? If your whole family was wiped out by a bomb in their tent after they were forcefully dispaced? You wouldn't do anything against the people responsible? You wouldn't want to hurt them in any way possible?

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:33

Eolhc1990 · 25/06/2025 11:32

You wouldn't do anything? If a group came to the house your family owned for generations and took it from you viliently assaulting all the men women and children there, if your child was kidnapped? If your father was abducted, starved and tortured held without trial for decades? If your whole family was wiped out by a bomb in their tent after they were forcefully dispaced? You wouldn't do anything against the people responsible? You wouldn't want to hurt them in any way possible?

Do the people in Gaza want what Hamas are doing?

On protesting they too were shown brutality by Hamas.

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 11:34

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:01

I'm not being funny but I wouldn't have wanted to start a war, nor would I have been in favour of invading a neighbouring country and committing a horrifying terrorist atrocity. Which would have made me very out of step with the general population of Palestine on eg 7th October 2023 but there we are.

How on earth can you know what you would do or how you would feel if you had grown up in Palestine? It’s not like some leafy suburb of London 🤷🏻‍♀️

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:37

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:33

Do the people in Gaza want what Hamas are doing?

On protesting they too were shown brutality by Hamas.

Do the Jewish people support what the Israeli government has been doing for nearly a hundred years? Did Hamas exist before 1948?

Eolhc1990 · 25/06/2025 11:37

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:33

Do the people in Gaza want what Hamas are doing?

On protesting they too were shown brutality by Hamas.

I don't know every person in Gaza so I can't say if they all support Hamas or not the election was like 20 years ago so since 40% of Palestinians were under 18 (prior to Oct 7th) none of them had voted for hamas.
I highly doubt the hubdreds of thousands of toddlers and infants murderd and maimed by Israel have any political affiliation. Those that manage survive, how can they be ever ok mentally and who could blame them if they end up joining a terrorist organisation.

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:37

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 11:34

How on earth can you know what you would do or how you would feel if you had grown up in Palestine? It’s not like some leafy suburb of London 🤷🏻‍♀️

You’re closer to describing those who react violently to Jewish people at a protest. They too are from leafy suburbs or similar, so there’s no excuse.

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:38

Madcatdudette · 25/06/2025 11:11

Did you read the whole thing?
The clue is in there

I don’t need a clue, an answer would suffice.

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:40

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:37

Do the Jewish people support what the Israeli government has been doing for nearly a hundred years? Did Hamas exist before 1948?

What is your answer here, rather than another question.

If it is a no the reason is Hamas’ brutality. The people too are subject to it. So whilst they may want to protest Hamas make it lethal to do so.

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:42

Eolhc1990 · 25/06/2025 11:32

You wouldn't do anything? If a group came to the house your family owned for generations and took it from you viliently assaulting all the men women and children there, if your child was kidnapped? If your father was abducted, starved and tortured held without trial for decades? If your whole family was wiped out by a bomb in their tent after they were forcefully dispaced? You wouldn't do anything against the people responsible? You wouldn't want to hurt them in any way possible?

Oh no, it’s different when things like this happen in the West don’t you know? We can start entire world wars when Western nations are at risk of invasion and terrorism.

When it’s happening to the rest of the world people should just put up and shut up. Because racism and colonial attitudes abide.

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:43

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:40

What is your answer here, rather than another question.

If it is a no the reason is Hamas’ brutality. The people too are subject to it. So whilst they may want to protest Hamas make it lethal to do so.

Edited

I don’t actually know what you are asking me. I can’t make sense of your post.

But if you are going to employ circular logic then so am I. You don’t control the narrative I’m afraid.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:44

RoseRR · 25/06/2025 11:34

How on earth can you know what you would do or how you would feel if you had grown up in Palestine? It’s not like some leafy suburb of London 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm in a Liverpool sink estate that is in one of the most deprived areas in Europe. We don't have much in common with the pro-Palestines from the leafy London suburbs.

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:47

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:43

I don’t actually know what you are asking me. I can’t make sense of your post.

But if you are going to employ circular logic then so am I. You don’t control the narrative I’m afraid.

I couldn’t get what you were trying to say, but see you couldn’t answer clearly.

Given Hamas brutalised Israelis on October 7th and do the same to people in Gaza the protests should be to get rid of Hamas. As the braver people of Gaza tried.

As it is people wanting sympathy from the public on the protests here are unlikely to get it outside CITME board. People don’t want PA type actions, nor anything making Jewish people feel unsafe.

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:47

TomeTome · 25/06/2025 11:17

The idea that you can kill tens of thousands mostly terrified children and civilian women and then squeak about being “offended” is a little tone deaf.

Feelings are clearly more important than actual genocide in this case. I mean how dare we call a spade a spade? We should be ashamed of ourselves for hurting feelings. The thousands of dead and mutilated children are of no matter to hurt feelings.

Almahart · 25/06/2025 11:47

Madcatdudette · 25/06/2025 09:39

So you still care about Palestine more than your own country?
Unless you came from abroad for the demonstration?

Can you explain what you mean?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:47

TomeTome · 25/06/2025 11:17

The idea that you can kill tens of thousands mostly terrified children and civilian women and then squeak about being “offended” is a little tone deaf.

My best friend's nan came from apartheid south Africa where she wasn't even acknowledged as a human being. Do you have any idea how distressing it is to her and her family to have the word cheapened and misused like that?

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:48

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:47

I couldn’t get what you were trying to say, but see you couldn’t answer clearly.

Given Hamas brutalised Israelis on October 7th and do the same to people in Gaza the protests should be to get rid of Hamas. As the braver people of Gaza tried.

As it is people wanting sympathy from the public on the protests here are unlikely to get it outside CITME board. People don’t want PA type actions, nor anything making Jewish people feel unsafe.

Edited

You’re still not making sense I’m afraid. Maybe try again?

PaxAeterna · 25/06/2025 11:48

Echobelly · 25/06/2025 11:05

I need a bit more context than a partisan clip on x on this before I could comment. I am Jewish and unfortunately there have been incidents where pro-Israel types have turned up to be provocative and started filming only once they've provoked people and then gone 'oh how antisemitic that we've got in trouble' Obviously if that's the case the others shouldn't have risen to abusing them back, but we don't know what they were saying.

Maybe it was just unfortunate they ran into pro-Palestine people who abused them, or maybe they turned up deliberately and gloated about Palestinian deaths at them. I can't tell from that clip. Unfortunately it's pretty hard to know what to trust these days.

Exactly. Very hard to tell from clip. I’ve been at many protest marches for various things over my whole life and less so at counter protests. And the counter protesters are always kept separate from main protest to stop trouble. It has nothing to do with flags per se.

I was at a counter protest for a far right rally recently and I’d have been insane to walk into the main protest with my “Hate has no home here” sign.

EasternStandard · 25/06/2025 11:50

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:48

You’re still not making sense I’m afraid. Maybe try again?

Sure. You don’t have support from the public. People don’t want the terrorist type stuff from PA.

TomeTome · 25/06/2025 11:52

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:47

My best friend's nan came from apartheid south Africa where she wasn't even acknowledged as a human being. Do you have any idea how distressing it is to her and her family to have the word cheapened and misused like that?

Well my connection to this woman would be anonymous poster on the internets, best friend’s grandmother, so I’m going to guess I wouldn’t know how she felt (and that you might not either). However I DO know some people who suffered under apartheid in SA and they are very sympathetic to the Palestinian experience.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:52

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:47

Feelings are clearly more important than actual genocide in this case. I mean how dare we call a spade a spade? We should be ashamed of ourselves for hurting feelings. The thousands of dead and mutilated children are of no matter to hurt feelings.

It isn't genocide in any way, shape or form. The way the word is so misused when there are actual genocides going on right now is offensive. Pro-Palestinians are easily offended even to the point of violence as the incident in the OP shows yet again, yet there's still quibbling about their own grossly offensive inaccurate appropriation of serious terminology. It's so hypocritical.

PhilomenaPunk · 25/06/2025 11:55

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:47

My best friend's nan came from apartheid south Africa where she wasn't even acknowledged as a human being. Do you have any idea how distressing it is to her and her family to have the word cheapened and misused like that?

Well my family went through an actual genocide in the twentieth century and I am not at all distressed by anyone using the word “genocide” to describe a genocide. And my actual father who was actually imprisoned without trial and actually tortured, not to mention my family members who were actually beaten and my people who were actually murdered by the score would all agree that this is a genocide.

Believe it or not, people who have actually experienced such events are better placed than you who knows someone who knows someone to be able to say what genocide is. What apartheid is. And what oppression is.

But yeah, well done on your attempts at victimhood.

TomeTome · 25/06/2025 11:55

Happy to replace genocide with “slaughter and mutilation if tens of thousands of women and children with the intent to eradicate the population” is it really means something different to you?

veiledsentiments · 25/06/2025 11:56

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/06/2025 11:52

It isn't genocide in any way, shape or form. The way the word is so misused when there are actual genocides going on right now is offensive. Pro-Palestinians are easily offended even to the point of violence as the incident in the OP shows yet again, yet there's still quibbling about their own grossly offensive inaccurate appropriation of serious terminology. It's so hypocritical.

Human rights groups have slammed the Trump administration’s push to take over Gaza and forcibly displace Palestinians as a violation of international law amounting to ethnic cleansing.

Who should we believe. You, or maybe actually established human rights groups?? I know who I believe.

Trump’s Gaza ‘plan’: What it is, why it’s unworkable and globally rejected

We examine Trump’s proposal for Gaza, his statements and the responses it has generated.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/13/trumps-gaza-plan-what-it-is-why-its-controversial-and-globally-rejected

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