Israeli flag flyers threatened with arrest after being attacked by Pro-Palestine mob.

[PickyBits]

This is just unbelievable. These ‘protesters’ are being given free rein to threaten and assault pro-Israelis (Jewish) because ‘there’s 500 of them and 2 of you’.

Police not interested in doing their job, which is upholding the law I thought?

Just sickening that this country has come to this.

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1937534677520134516

I noticed you say nothing about what Israel is doing every day for the past 20 months in Gaza, in West Bank.
I have nothing to add to what I already said.

There is a way to adjust how people view things. Of course there are people in Gaza who have stories of normal everyday life which would resonate. Outside what is happening now.

And people don’t want to be targeted by terrorists either.

It feels far off but if the former could start to tell those stories again, and the latter could stop, the way we perceive each other would improve.

Of course you don't.

Simon Reeves Mediterranean documentary on i-player visits Israel & Gaza, and many other countries too. It contrasts the world on opposite sides of the med, touches on migrant journeys and exploitation, and a couple of stories from Gaza & Libya of returnees helping to rebuild.
Interesting watch.

How do you think they could share their stories when Israel has prevented the media from entering Gaza?

It’s almost as if Israel is doing to control the narrative.

Not just Israel trying to control the narrative of course.

I think there are radical views in Israel yes. The destruction, the maiming of children, the starvation- thinking all of that is “defense” is a radical viewpoint.

It’s not about “excusing” people. There is radicalisation on both sides. That’s just a fact.

What point are you making?

No not now. As I said outside what is happening.

As a way to move forward.

How people in Gaza share their life “outside of what is happening now” though? What does that actually look like?

Not now I mean, it’s not possible. But sometime in the future if we want to start seeing each other in a better way.

Terrorists stop and we hear from people. It’s hard but possible and would help stop this cycle of retribution.

The cycle of retribution takes generations to fade.
I’ve seen first hand how people become radicalised.
You live a fairly moderate normal life and then you get burnt out of your house in the middle of the night leaving you and your family homeless, or your brother gets shot on the way to work, or your cousin gets taken from his home at 3am by masked men in front of his wife and baby never to be seen again. Separating terrorists and people is very naive. Terrorists are largely products of their environment.

All I can tell you is this indiscriminate bombing of Gaza is only going to end up radicalising more people.

“Terrorists stop and we hear from people.”
Terrorists will never cease to exist while Israel still terrorises Gaza. Peace in whatever form it takes always needs both sides to have movement and right now that seems unlikely.

I wasn't asking you I quoted @1dayatatime who said
Plus it's pretty uncomfortable when same nut jobs start waving Islamic nutjob flags in UK streets.
which I wanted clarity on

Terrorists impact people all over the world. People associate fear and cruelty to those who do it, and attach them to what they represent.

The better reality is there are people we can relate to and we hear about that.

Not now, as I said, Hamas and Oct 7th created fear, people argue Israel is doing similar as you just have.

Arguing it has to continue and there’s no way out will make it the case. There is a way to create a better place for everyone. It’ll take time but at least have the idea it can be better.

Exactly. If you want to see why people get radicalised, look up the story on Mohammed Hadid, Bella Hadid’s father. They were forced to move to Syria, because the Jewish people, that they had given refuge to for 2 years, kicked them out of their own home. Hardly surprising is it?

The other sad part is Israel too will not make the same error and trust that they won’t have a repeat of October 7th.

it was an error to fund Hamas. And now they are funding another armed militia group.

Hamas are accountable for their actions.

What actions marked Hamas as dangerous to Israel pre October 7th?

Israel will understandably close all avenues down for access to the same. That opportunity has gone for some time.

Whether terrorists learn it’s not the best way to go is another thing.

Really, what would make Israel think Hamas was dangerous?

I know people on here say this started on October 7th but surely people can’t seriously believe that?

Then tensions between Israel and Palestinians had been mounting for quite some time. The year of the attack on Israel was the deadliest year the West Bank.
There was not peace between Israel and Palestine prior to October 7th.

Can you give an example of something by Hamas against Israel pre October 7th?

You’ve answered re West Bank I’m wondering why Israel funded Hamas in particular

Can you give an example of something by Hamas against Israel pre October 7th?

Well the original Hamas charter in 1988 for a start where it calls for a destruction of the Israeli state

What do you mean can I give you an example? I just explained the year leading to up to the October 7th attack was the deadliest year of the occupation of the west bank. Israelis and Palestinians were both killed, the larger number on the Palestinian side.

Israel funded Hamas largely to destabilise Palestine and split the power between groups within Gaza and the Westbank.

An example of something Hamas did to Israel pre October 7th

Are you joking or serious here? You seem to be quite disingenuous.

Hamas had carried out numerous attacks on Israel prior to Oct 7th, as did Israel.

There was a constant stream of deaths for both sides, shootings, rockets launches etc.

I'm guess I'm missing a point here with these queries about Hamas action against Israel, apologies if I am but posters are aware that Hamas or their foot soldiers were regularly lobbing rockets into Israel well before 7 Oct.

That's one of the reasons lron Dome was introduced.