Protesters in London - stop bombing Iran?????

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Is this the same Iran was enriching uranium for the express purpose of building a nuclear bomb?

Is this the same Iran that was plotting a terrorist attack on a British base in Cyprus?

Is this the same Iran that send missiles against hospitals?

The same Iran which actually has a lot going people in Iran hoping the bombing of military facilities can somehow dethrone a hated Islamist regime?

Wtaf?

No, you just conform to double standards.

No I don’t conform to double standards

i treat all humans as of equal value

and in a thread about this specific conflict I don’t think I should have to state my position on other problems in the world and I recognise in that a distraction technique

other than to say I don’t think any of them are being solved by violence

dont bomb Iran - it’s wrong.

yes there are other things wrong in the world is like NAMALT

No script. No whataboutery which is a ‘word’ that always gets used when someone wants to dismiss an opinion.
You don’t need need to prove anything. It’s more of a how can you be so passionate about Palestine and not anywhere or anything else 🤷‍♀️

What is different now than all the times I. The past 32 years that Netanyahu has said Iran is developing a nuclear weapon.

The image below shows all the predictions he made that failed to come true.

Not about Palestine either, yet here you are mentioning Palestine 🤷‍♀️
Well at least I can understand your strong opinion. However, how have you come to the conclusion I am lying and gaslighting?

Oh okay. Didn’t realise we were using emojis as a way to describe someone 🤷‍♀️
I’m sure people would say the same about Palestine after 7/10. Can’t prod a bear and not expect repercussions.
It seems victim mentality is a modern concept that shows itself in conflicts too 🤷‍♀️

@HermioneWeasley

God, some of you are so naive.

Changing an authoritarian regime that's been in power for several decades, is not going to be easily dismantled.

If anything, the US and Israel will make Iranians more united against the enemy. You know the people attacking them, destroying their buildings and killing their people as collateral damage. Do you think scientists and others don't have families?

You think, they should thank the Americans and Israel for bombing them, expecting them to roll over and apparently surrender happily?
If the Iranians have survived an authoritarian and theocratic government for decades, they will survive these attacks and chose their own way, and definitely not the West's diktak.

Iraq - deposing Saddam Hussain, almost 15 years later, Iraq is still a mess
Libya - removing Gaddafi has led to a absolute chaos and warring factions for leadership.

Tunisia and Libya as a result are now the way for migrants into Europe.
Arab Spring - how many succeeded in actually changing their government?
We can't even manage proper change here with voting democratically - out with the Blue Tories, hello Red Tories!

Apologies but I cannot make any sense out of what you are trying to say.
And by the way, I'm not anti-Israel. Don't assume so and state it. I'm anti the actions of the government of Israel and so are a lot of Israelis.
And yes I am aware of the persecution of Christians in the West Bank and Gaza, including harrassment carried out on processions (example by settlers on Palm Sunday), harassment of religious people in dress, displacement and the bombing of churches. Including Christians being killed.

That's an assumption on your part.

And just to elaborate people may be interested or support a particular issue or concern above others for various reasons and that's ok. It doesn't make that concern less valid or not important.
If I am most concerned with the illegal occupation of Palestine and the horrific situation in Gaza, there is nothing wrong with that. It's doesn't mean that I do not have empathy for people in other horrendous situations. It doesn't mean that I do not know about other situations and support them as well as I can either. I feel that you are trying to ally some kind of failing or fault with not vocalising every wrong that exists in the world. It's not a failing or a wrong.
It's perfectly fine and human to say this is a cause I follow and support.

No you back em all you want.
Some people who have no affiliation with Palestine or Israel have issues with the Pro Palestine movement. Not because they don’t care about suffering, but because when anyone said anything against the Pro Palestine movement they were jumped on.
Pro Palestine hasn’t been successful in raising the right kind of awareness perhaps was originally intended.
Now we have Pro Palestine marching for Iran, in the UK. We have Pro Palestine breaking into Brize Norton.
Back Palestine all you want because ultimately it’s always the common folk who suffer. But when Palestine becomes a backing of Iran that seems very dangerous for the UK.
Many people said they didn’t care because they didn’t want involvement in anymore gulf wars; they only really cared about issues in their own country etc.
Now here we are on the verge of another conflict that we neither wanted nor agreed with and people are still marching for a foreign land that has carried out attacks on British soil.

Thanks for this response but it still doesn't address my original quoted post.
I didn't attend the march, but I wouldn't see it as a march FOR Iran, rather that it was a march opposed to bombing Iran.
I marched in the huge anti WMD/Gulf war ones and they were not FOR Iraq but against going to war and bombing it. Against getting involved in a war that will lead to death, injury and trauma to British soldiers. I think that's an issue that affects us.

I was on the march, I loathe Iran and I loathe Hamas but I felt I could no longer stand by as children are starving to death in Gaza. If I thought bombing Iran would usher in a reasonable government then I'd support it, but it won't. It makes the whole region far more volatile.

Same here.

How can you know what the poster is and isn't passionate about?

And you do realise you are asking a Palestinian why they are passionate about Palestine? 🙃

Are you reading the thread backwards? Or just decided to quote with no relevance?

I can’t see a post where you asked a question?
Yes, in 2003 there was an anti war protest but we didn’t do it everywhere, every weekend and piss everyone off 🤷‍♀️

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Well said. The question is, how can that often longstanding mess be improved? Does the West have a moral duty to 'unpick/improve' what it started (ditto, the state of Israel)? It seems to me that US/UK interventions always make things worse for the ordinary people of other countries, cost many lives & huge amounts of $/£ and, usually, leave citizens more 'radicalised' than before (which brings reprisals to US/UK shores). The unpredictable Trump, & his administration of TV hosts & interns is also the very last set of people you want playing the game of 'Risk'.

This one @Madcatdudette

I remember protesting a lot and regularly for the Iraq WMD fiasco...there were huge protests all over the world. I think among the biggest protests ever.
It was huge at the time?

No other entity has made the Middle East more volatile than the Islamist Iranian regime in the last near five decades.
As much as the usual suspects love to blame "the West".

I'm not blaming the west. I just don't think Trump bombing Iran makes anyone safer. Do you?

@YourOnMute Thank you, that was kind of you to find it and I do appreciate it.
I don’t disagree with any of this post to be fair.
I am aware of suffering across the globe. I’m aware that Palestine citizens have had a really shit existence. They are not to blame for their leaders actions but are the ones who are dying unnecessarily.
I think that protesting about the regime leaders would be far more appropriate and constructive.
I also think that the Pro Palestine movement has been detrimental to Gazians and hasn’t helped. It’s created a terrible division in the UK and further afield.
Obviously my opinion but one that is valid, just like yours.

The passion for violated women and children has been missing on this site from the "Pro Palestine" cohort when it comes to the Oct 7th pogrom and it's victims.
Rape, murder, family annihilation has been minimised, threads about these victims jumped upon by the "what about Gaza?" massive, the worldwide pro Palestine marches held the DAY after the Oct 7th pogrom before Israel had a chance to count her dead and kidnapped, much less retaliate....completely unexplained as to why THOSE marches could be organised so, so, quickly and why straight after and during the worst pogrom since WW2 and not before.
I mean, the Israel/Palestine isms and schisms have been going on since 1947 as according to pro Palestine folklore, no?

Or is the notion that those marches were celebrations rather than straight up Palestinian "support" too close to the truth?

Because these marches could have been an ongoing thing any time in my over five decades of life and definitely since the inception of digital technology enabled access to social media, if Palestine and Israeli Imperialism pertaining to it mattered as much as finding an excuse to manifest one's overt or covert anti "Zionism" .

The maths ain't mathing.

But I don't need to be punched in the faces to KNOW what a punch is.

When a movement has to appropriate terminology specific to a people and their history in order to try and influence thoughts, it's foundation is shaky.

The reason why Pro Palestinian advocacy does not work is due to its lack of " one band, one sound" communication and underpinning.
Being Pro Palestine has to come way and above being anti Israel, anti US, anti West, anti Zionist .

None of the anti elements can have as much importance.

There is a reason why in the West, Progressive politics have not incurred as much rights and parity for people as has Classic Liberalism.

Attempting to tear down shit so that another group can have the power to act the fool as much as any " oppressor class" and each individual within it is imagined to ...that philosophy cannot hold in a world that will never be as Black and White as Progressives see it.