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Protesters in London - stop bombing Iran?????

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mids2019 · 21/06/2025 15:27

Is this the same Iran was enriching uranium for the express purpose of building a nuclear bomb?

Is this the same Iran that was plotting a terrorist attack on a British base in Cyprus?

Is this the same Iran that send missiles against hospitals?

The same Iran which actually has a lot going people in Iran hoping the bombing of military facilities can somehow dethrone a hated Islamist regime?

Wtaf?

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Dangermoo · 23/06/2025 12:23

EasyTouch · 23/06/2025 12:18

The passion for violated women and children has been missing on this site from the "Pro Palestine" cohort when it comes to the Oct 7th pogrom and it's victims.
Rape, murder, family annihilation has been minimised, threads about these victims jumped upon by the "what about Gaza?" massive, the worldwide pro Palestine marches held the DAY after the Oct 7th pogrom before Israel had a chance to count her dead and kidnapped, much less retaliate....completely unexplained as to why THOSE marches could be organised so, so, quickly and why straight after and during the worst pogrom since WW2 and not before.
I mean, the Israel/Palestine isms and schisms have been going on since 1947 as according to pro Palestine folklore, no?

Or is the notion that those marches were celebrations rather than straight up Palestinian "support" too close to the truth?

Because these marches could have been an ongoing thing any time in my over five decades of life and definitely since the inception of digital technology enabled access to social media, if Palestine and Israeli Imperialism pertaining to it mattered as much as finding an excuse to manifest one's overt or covert anti "Zionism" .

The maths ain't mathing.

But I don't need to be punched in the faces to KNOW what a punch is.

When a movement has to appropriate terminology specific to a people and their history in order to try and influence thoughts, it's foundation is shaky.

The reason why Pro Palestinian advocacy does not work is due to its lack of " one band, one sound" communication and underpinning.
Being Pro Palestine has to come way and above being anti Israel, anti US, anti West, anti Zionist .

None of the anti elements can have as much importance.

There is a reason why in the West, Progressive politics have not incurred as much rights and parity for people as has Classic Liberalism.

Attempting to tear down shit so that another group can have the power to act the fool as much as any " oppressor class" and each individual within it is imagined to ...that philosophy cannot hold in a world that will never be as Black and White as Progressives see it.

👏 👏

Nowayyousure · 23/06/2025 12:27

EasyTouch · 23/06/2025 12:18

The passion for violated women and children has been missing on this site from the "Pro Palestine" cohort when it comes to the Oct 7th pogrom and it's victims.
Rape, murder, family annihilation has been minimised, threads about these victims jumped upon by the "what about Gaza?" massive, the worldwide pro Palestine marches held the DAY after the Oct 7th pogrom before Israel had a chance to count her dead and kidnapped, much less retaliate....completely unexplained as to why THOSE marches could be organised so, so, quickly and why straight after and during the worst pogrom since WW2 and not before.
I mean, the Israel/Palestine isms and schisms have been going on since 1947 as according to pro Palestine folklore, no?

Or is the notion that those marches were celebrations rather than straight up Palestinian "support" too close to the truth?

Because these marches could have been an ongoing thing any time in my over five decades of life and definitely since the inception of digital technology enabled access to social media, if Palestine and Israeli Imperialism pertaining to it mattered as much as finding an excuse to manifest one's overt or covert anti "Zionism" .

The maths ain't mathing.

But I don't need to be punched in the faces to KNOW what a punch is.

When a movement has to appropriate terminology specific to a people and their history in order to try and influence thoughts, it's foundation is shaky.

The reason why Pro Palestinian advocacy does not work is due to its lack of " one band, one sound" communication and underpinning.
Being Pro Palestine has to come way and above being anti Israel, anti US, anti West, anti Zionist .

None of the anti elements can have as much importance.

There is a reason why in the West, Progressive politics have not incurred as much rights and parity for people as has Classic Liberalism.

Attempting to tear down shit so that another group can have the power to act the fool as much as any " oppressor class" and each individual within it is imagined to ...that philosophy cannot hold in a world that will never be as Black and White as Progressives see it.

This.

BibiSuzanne · 23/06/2025 12:32

EasyTouch · 23/06/2025 12:18

The passion for violated women and children has been missing on this site from the "Pro Palestine" cohort when it comes to the Oct 7th pogrom and it's victims.
Rape, murder, family annihilation has been minimised, threads about these victims jumped upon by the "what about Gaza?" massive, the worldwide pro Palestine marches held the DAY after the Oct 7th pogrom before Israel had a chance to count her dead and kidnapped, much less retaliate....completely unexplained as to why THOSE marches could be organised so, so, quickly and why straight after and during the worst pogrom since WW2 and not before.
I mean, the Israel/Palestine isms and schisms have been going on since 1947 as according to pro Palestine folklore, no?

Or is the notion that those marches were celebrations rather than straight up Palestinian "support" too close to the truth?

Because these marches could have been an ongoing thing any time in my over five decades of life and definitely since the inception of digital technology enabled access to social media, if Palestine and Israeli Imperialism pertaining to it mattered as much as finding an excuse to manifest one's overt or covert anti "Zionism" .

The maths ain't mathing.

But I don't need to be punched in the faces to KNOW what a punch is.

When a movement has to appropriate terminology specific to a people and their history in order to try and influence thoughts, it's foundation is shaky.

The reason why Pro Palestinian advocacy does not work is due to its lack of " one band, one sound" communication and underpinning.
Being Pro Palestine has to come way and above being anti Israel, anti US, anti West, anti Zionist .

None of the anti elements can have as much importance.

There is a reason why in the West, Progressive politics have not incurred as much rights and parity for people as has Classic Liberalism.

Attempting to tear down shit so that another group can have the power to act the fool as much as any " oppressor class" and each individual within it is imagined to ...that philosophy cannot hold in a world that will never be as Black and White as Progressives see it.

There have been many marches since the eighties (when I first became active). There is one every year to commemorate the Nakba. There was one when Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered. You were not aware of them. We march not to celebrate. Stop with your nasty twist on everything pro Palestinian. We march to protest and to keep Palestine in the public mind. Nothing wrong with that.

Dangermoo · 23/06/2025 12:34

BibiSuzanne · 23/06/2025 12:32

There have been many marches since the eighties (when I first became active). There is one every year to commemorate the Nakba. There was one when Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered. You were not aware of them. We march not to celebrate. Stop with your nasty twist on everything pro Palestinian. We march to protest and to keep Palestine in the public mind. Nothing wrong with that.

All the while, whilst not even knowing the real reason why you are marching. A very noble, but naive sentiment.

Madcatdudette · 23/06/2025 12:57

BibiSuzanne · 23/06/2025 12:32

There have been many marches since the eighties (when I first became active). There is one every year to commemorate the Nakba. There was one when Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered. You were not aware of them. We march not to celebrate. Stop with your nasty twist on everything pro Palestinian. We march to protest and to keep Palestine in the public mind. Nothing wrong with that.

I understand that you have a reason for wanting nothing but peace for Palestine and I don’t mean this with intent to antagonise or insult you.
You march because you passionately believe that Palestine is being destroyed. I understand that and I would not criticise you for it. There is nothing inherently wrong with being vocal about a cause.
The basic premise of anything pro Palestine is now not what it started out as.
I am asking this sincerely, would it not be better and more effective to march against the governments of Middle East?

AnnaBalfour · 23/06/2025 12:58

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BibiSuzanne · 23/06/2025 13:22

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BibiSuzanne · 23/06/2025 13:28

Madcatdudette · 23/06/2025 12:57

I understand that you have a reason for wanting nothing but peace for Palestine and I don’t mean this with intent to antagonise or insult you.
You march because you passionately believe that Palestine is being destroyed. I understand that and I would not criticise you for it. There is nothing inherently wrong with being vocal about a cause.
The basic premise of anything pro Palestine is now not what it started out as.
I am asking this sincerely, would it not be better and more effective to march against the governments of Middle East?

Thank you. The problem is people see the Middle East as one entity. It isn’t. I have sympathy ( or not) with various countries of the Middle East. All have different issues. But must my passion for justice for Palestinians only be acknowledged if I march/campaign for other causes? Or indeed lump them all together under the Middle Eastern umbrella?
No, the Palestinian issue is important enough to be acknowledged and campaigned for in its own right.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 23/06/2025 14:03

Madcatdudette · 23/06/2025 01:15

No you back em all you want.
Some people who have no affiliation with Palestine or Israel have issues with the Pro Palestine movement. Not because they don’t care about suffering, but because when anyone said anything against the Pro Palestine movement they were jumped on.
Pro Palestine hasn’t been successful in raising the right kind of awareness perhaps was originally intended.
Now we have Pro Palestine marching for Iran, in the UK. We have Pro Palestine breaking into Brize Norton.
Back Palestine all you want because ultimately it’s always the common folk who suffer. But when Palestine becomes a backing of Iran that seems very dangerous for the UK.
Many people said they didn’t care because they didn’t want involvement in anymore gulf wars; they only really cared about issues in their own country etc.
Now here we are on the verge of another conflict that we neither wanted nor agreed with and people are still marching for a foreign land that has carried out attacks on British soil.

Agreed just waiting on the next round of terror attacks against us in The West" and it's just a question of,when not, if. Will we see pro Iranian marches then?

pinkglitter12 · 23/06/2025 14:14

Its insane! Literally stood there in burkas waving flags for no apparent reason apart from they were born there

Dangermoo · 23/06/2025 14:27

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There's irony and there's this.

YourOnMute · 23/06/2025 16:20

Madcatdudette · 23/06/2025 11:44

@YourOnMute Thank you, that was kind of you to find it and I do appreciate it.
I don’t disagree with any of this post to be fair.
I am aware of suffering across the globe. I’m aware that Palestine citizens have had a really shit existence. They are not to blame for their leaders actions but are the ones who are dying unnecessarily.
I think that protesting about the regime leaders would be far more appropriate and constructive.
I also think that the Pro Palestine movement has been detrimental to Gazians and hasn’t helped. It’s created a terrible division in the UK and further afield.
Obviously my opinion but one that is valid, just like yours.

Thank you for replying @Madcatdudette

MischiefandMayhemManaged · 23/06/2025 16:34

You mena the fact that It was confirmed stated in CONGRESS less than 2 months ago that Iran was nowhere near able to produce a nuclear BOMB. The fact that the orange idiot cant seem to understand. The fact that Israel have bombed dozens of hospitals? the fact that Israel shot first? Yes, I can fully see why people are protesting.

MischiefandMayhemManaged · 23/06/2025 16:39

Oh, and to make matters worse, Israel just bombed the biggest prison in Iran. Where the people would have had no way to escape. They and the US have killed Hundreds in the last 24 hours. It's vile behaviour

YourOnMute · 23/06/2025 16:43

There have Palestine marches, stands and campaigns since I can remember. Probably ongoing since the 1970s?
People worldwide have seen Gazans being bombed to oblivion and now starved. It's horrific. Of course more people, worldwide, will march against this. Will campaign against it. Because they are human.

YourOnMute · 23/06/2025 17:03

MischiefandMayhemManaged · 23/06/2025 16:39

Oh, and to make matters worse, Israel just bombed the biggest prison in Iran. Where the people would have had no way to escape. They and the US have killed Hundreds in the last 24 hours. It's vile behaviour

I'm not aware of this but I imagine this probably includes political prisoners who are anti-regime?
I saw an Iranian film years ago about Evin Women's Prison and although I can't recall the name, I still remember it.
Iran has some fantastic films.

HellsBalls · 23/06/2025 18:23

MischiefandMayhemManaged · 23/06/2025 16:39

Oh, and to make matters worse, Israel just bombed the biggest prison in Iran. Where the people would have had no way to escape. They and the US have killed Hundreds in the last 24 hours. It's vile behaviour

They bombed the entrance to the prison.
No prisoners have been killed, so stop spreading bullshit.
It’s symbolic, to show the Iranians they can hit whatever they want, and by the way, they also bombed the Doomsday clock 😀.
Also as a message to the people of Iran, that Israel would back an uprising.

It’s getting to the point that the anti-Israel posters are just blatantly lying, and most of what they say can be ignored.

HellsBalls · 23/06/2025 19:36

Video of the strike
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/d96f1U3NaI

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 20:45

HellsBalls · 23/06/2025 18:23

They bombed the entrance to the prison.
No prisoners have been killed, so stop spreading bullshit.
It’s symbolic, to show the Iranians they can hit whatever they want, and by the way, they also bombed the Doomsday clock 😀.
Also as a message to the people of Iran, that Israel would back an uprising.

It’s getting to the point that the anti-Israel posters are just blatantly lying, and most of what they say can be ignored.

People were injured. Others were terrified. This is a blatant act of aggression, not something to celebrate.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 20:46

Images reviewed by BBC Persian were said to show injured people who had been visiting imprisoned relatives at the time of the strike.
Inmates at Evin's women's section reportedly told their families that the ceiling was damaged and that panic broke out among prisoners, although they did not report any injuries.
However, in Section 4, the shockwave from the explosion was said to have caused injuries to several men who were inside the prison library.
Amnesty International said it was "extremely distressed" by the reports from Evin.
"Deliberately attacking civilian objects is prohibited under international humanitarian law and would amount to a war crime," the human rights group warned.

Stripes56 · 23/06/2025 22:17

Israel must now focusing on regime change.
Not surprising really- as no-one knows outside of Iran whether the enriched uranium has been destroyed together with all the centrifuges. Iran has said they can now legally withdraw from the non-proliferation treaty. That means no iaea inspectors in Iran.

If things were deemed dangerous before- they’ve probably got a lot more so.
Trump from saying no to regime change is now changing his tune. Netanyahu has played his hand very well in terms of influencing Trump but if there is no regime change…
Interestingly - quite clear from an International law lawyer - actions purposefully done to cause regime change is illegal.
Regime change rarely goes smoothly - thinking about Afghanistan and Iraq.
Unless US wants to get involved in Israel’s forever wars - need to return to diplomacy,

Dangermoo · 23/06/2025 22:26

Is the Ayatollah still in hiding? Coward.

Stripes56 · 23/06/2025 22:51

Dangermoo · 23/06/2025 22:26

Is the Ayatollah still in hiding? Coward.

Seems eminently sensible though given Israel wants him dead?

Wonder how Israel and US citizens will feel about sending troops into Iran if the regime collapses and their puppet doesn’t immediately get the crown- which would not be surprising:

“Trita Parsi, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute in Washington, DC, said that regime change would require Israel or the United States having a figure in mind to replace Khamenei and send troops to the country.”

There already appear to be lots of different tribal sections seeing what advantage the fall of Ayatollah can bring for them. Can’t imagine it will go all smoothly somehow. Wonder in whose hands the uranium will end up in? Maybe better the devil you know?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/20/middleeast/israel-us-iran-khamenei-regime-change-scenarios-intl

Trump is hinting at regime change in Iran. Here’s what could happen if the Islamic Republic falls | CNN

As US President Donald Trump hints at regime change in the Islamic Republic, questions are mounting over what that could mean for Iran’s future and its ties to the outside world.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/20/middleeast/israel-us-iran-khamenei-regime-change-scenarios-intl

PaxAeterna · 23/06/2025 22:54

YourOnMute · 23/06/2025 17:03

I'm not aware of this but I imagine this probably includes political prisoners who are anti-regime?
I saw an Iranian film years ago about Evin Women's Prison and although I can't recall the name, I still remember it.
Iran has some fantastic films.

Yes Evin prison is where political prisoners are held. Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was held here. Many women political prisoners. There are other types of prisoners too.

It’s a message I suppose but it must have been terrifying for the prisoners locked in cells who already live in hell by the sounds of it.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/06/2025 23:05

PaxAeterna · 23/06/2025 22:54

Yes Evin prison is where political prisoners are held. Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was held here. Many women political prisoners. There are other types of prisoners too.

It’s a message I suppose but it must have been terrifying for the prisoners locked in cells who already live in hell by the sounds of it.

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Nazanin spoke out against the strike on the prison today. She was extremely worried for the physical and mental well being of the other prisoners being held there.