European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

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"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

The moment Donnie wants the UK in, the UK will go in.
And a few marches at the weekends with thousands of people does not mean ‘the majority’ support Palestinians.
There was a million man march against the war in Iraq, and STILL the UK joined in. A million people on the streets, ignored!

There is a bigger picture than the ebbs and flows of a few % of gullible people who don’t believe where the threat lies.

Lol. Try telling that to the people in Iran whose relatives disappeared from one day to the next. But since it wasn't Israel who killed them, I guess it's of no interest. Ever been to either Iran or Israel? Or just reading some Hamas rage bait?

Yes it bloody has, it funds hezbollah which has been happily barrel bombing shrians, oh the IRCG was also in Syria directing and training. 600,000 dead (bit genocidal huh) with Assad being supported by iran and russia. Why do you think the Syrians haven’t said a word about this, they are probably pretty cheerful at the idea of the Iranian regime getting an arse kicking.

Lets see Houthis, they fund the Houthis who are using slave labour and child soldiers, there over 100’000 dead there, another iranian victory.

They basically took over Lebanon, Hezbollah have been forbidden (by the actual government of Lebanon) from dragging Lebanon into the iran israel conflict and this was only possible because Israel devastated Hezbollah.

There is so much more, Iran is utterly toxic to everyone around it. It’s managed to kill way more arabs than Israel yet there are posters who will convince themselves that Iran is absolutely fine just because it’s Israel doing what really needs to be done.

You should know this.

Netanyahu has been wanted by the ICC since November 2024, yet he was last elected as Prime Minister in November 2022, so why do you keep saying people who elected him agree with his actions?
I assume you mean the actions addressed in the ICC warrants, which cover the period since October 8th, 2023.

Yes it is a clear wind up.

Maybe someone’s bored after A levels are finished or something.

Can you imagine UK ever being a democracy where a war criminal wanted by the ICC remains in power? I mean we lettuced the hell out of a sitting prime minister recently.

Also, he didn’t change overnight. There is a whole blood trail that follows him.

I believe both Irani and Israeli regimes need changing. By their own people. Because I believe the people are not complicit in it and only they should have the power to do so.

Is that what you believe?

Hamas rage bait?

This is what I have been reading on what Netenyahu is doing. And we are seeing Gaza dismantled brick by brick, life by life, child by child.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/03/12/israel-s-opposition-is-powerless-against-netanyahu-and-his-far-right-allies_6739073_4.html

One thing worth pointing out for everyone's benefit, since I'm probably one of very few people on this thread who has been to Iran, is that the people are definitely not the regime. I was fortunate enough to go in 1997, and travelled around relatively easily with my host family. It is a stunningly beautiful country full of friendly, hospitable people who do not feel represented by the murderous regime. The language is quite easy to learn. It is a vast country of disparate population groups and a huge range of cultures. I feel desperately sad for the situation they find themselves in; after 40 years they are resigned to this being their reality. The mullahs are a threat to us all, undoubtedly. Netanyahu is the wrong person taking the right actions for the wrong reasons, and sadly it will not bring the Iranians freedom. Doesn't mean Israel shouldn't disable the nuclear programme, albeit it would have been better if Israel had pursued that through the proper channels. Judging by the attitudes towards Israel and the apparent effect of Islamist propaganda, I can see why they didn't. Bad all round.

Feel free to bow out. But as you may have seen with the recently posted YouGov poll, the opinion of the British public is very strong in this matter. Netenyahu and several of his cronies can’t ever set foot in the U.K. ever again.

Do you realise it was Uk and USA that dismantled their elected PM and did a regime change that ended up Iranis getting these mullahs?

And you are trusting their future with a genocidal war criminal?

It doesn’t mean it’s not a democracy, Israel is at war after suffering a horrific terror attack (something the UK knows something about). The reality is his current performance as a leader specifically in regards to those who have attacked Israel is ok (hamas) to spectacular (Iran) and satisfactory (hezbollah have been neutered).

Israelis are going to be concerned about their own security not what someone in London thinks. People came and killed them, then the very next day while they were still looking for bodies and they hadn’t fired a single bullet their neighbour started shelling them. The psychological impact of that means you may very well tolerate someone you wouldn’t in peace time.

They are at war, you do realise that don’t you.

On googling it looks like the majority do not support the regime.

ETA appreciate the insight.

I believe both Israeli and Iranian regimes need changing. And pronto.

We can’t afford genocidal war mongers and lunatic mullahs fighting each other in the mid east.

Both countries need this and their people should be the one that do it. Or it will another Iraq and Afghanistan in BOTH countries.

The Israelis are getting rid of the infrastructure, it’s up to the Iranians what comes next. As often happens the communists aligned with the religious fanatics and then got shot by those very religious fanatics. Think Iranians have probably learned to stay away from men obsessed with womens hair. You do make a reasonable point about what comes next and no-one knowing if it’s better or worse for the Iranians.

HOWEVER this is not Israels main goal, Israels main goal is to make sure Iran is not in a position to be supplying its proxies or be able to obtain a nuclear weapon. Thats it. If theres regime change and it’s friendly thats a massive bonus.

Yes and this war is gonna set back their cause by miles, just as Netenyahu is able to cling on to power and Trump is getting away with destroying the U.S. constitution while protecting Putin as per Zelensky.

The timing is highly suspect. We must get rid of all of these lunatics but their own people should be the one doing it.

How would Iranians do it when protesting can lead to execution and brutal repercussions?

It’s easy to type on mn just do it. Less so in reality.

Thats the thing, Israel didn’t randomly pick on Iran did it? Iran has been threatening them for decades. Israelis have a cordial relationship with both the Egyptians and the Jordanians. They now have a direct line of communication with the syrians. They have consistently shown through actual actions that if you don’t mess with them they will leave you alone too.

Don’t attack them and you are cushty.

Iran and Israel are not the same, Israel doesn’t have a regime it has an elected government. Me or you not liking it does not make it on par with the dictatorship in Iran.

Now you switch to nukes from regime change, the evidence for which is pretty contradictory so far with conflicting reports from the U.S. institutions versus IEAE. This required what the British government is asking for: a return to diplomacy.

And the genocidal regime of Netenyahu should never have its fingers on nuke buttons. This will now spur a nuke race in the region and around the globe.

I can bet my right hand that Ukrainians are now bitterly regretting giving up their nuclear programme. The rest of the world is going to further learn from this example of Iran and this will start a race that will likely satisfy the blood thirsty Israeli regime but will de sorry the region.

No it won’t, they have zero chance to get out from under the regime whilst the regime controls everything. With a regime in disarray theres a chance. There is also a chance for a backlash from the regime and extreme repression.

Iranians have been extremely brave before, many have been shot, whipped, executed, tortured and still they protested. I have so much admiration for them.

So you are saying it is ok to destroy Iran’s infrastructure on the off chance it changes their regime.
So you are indeed hoping for a foreign-induced regime change?

Oh FFS. Don’t pretend you love Iranians while their country and history is ruined. There is a strong reason why MI5 is opposing a foreign-induced regime change. They know what it can lead to. They have done it before and gave the world with what Iran currently has.

No there is no conflicting reports, everyone pretty much agrees that Iran breeched agreements.

I didn’t switch to reime change, you are the one talking about regime change. And I specifically said Israels job here is to make sure Iran cannot attack it, regime change would be a bonus for them.

Israel has had nukes for ages, the only country who seems to have mentioned nukes is the saudi prince who said that if Iran gets a nuke saudi will too. He didn’t mention Israel because no-one thinks Israel will go around threatening people with nukes.

So we are back to my question that I have been asking for ages on this thread: are you saying that Israeli people are fully supporting a war criminal and genocidal maniac (I find it unlikely) or is Netenyahu just blood thirsty off his own accord? If the public don’t back him, his is a regime, if the public do back him, we have a genocidal nation in our hands (which I refuse to believe but you are saying this).
He has a trail of blood behind him and has been in government for 17 years.

I think hoping that the Iranians become free of a regime they don’t like and that regularly oppresses them is in no way a negative.

Their country is not in ruins, it’s fucking massive. Government sites, nuclear sites IRCG installatIons are though, they are getting very ruined.

I just don’t think most Iranians would be on your side with this. No-one wants their country to be bombed but I think if the regime goes you will see something like with Syria. People celebrating in the streets and many looking for their loved ones.

I can’t be bothered anymore to post what has been posted upthread many times. There have been a number of conflicting reports, including one from the USA. There is no clear evidence that Iran has WMDs.

There is very clear evidence that Israeli regime is genocidal and must be stopped.