European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

[Nowayyousure]

"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

I would leave that decision to Irani public so the change can be stable and organic. It took centuries for the U.K. to get where we are. Centuries for every nation but Iranians are not permitted this stability. They must bear yet another foreign induced regime change just as their movement is gaining momentum.

He is a war time leader and needs must. Israel was attacked simultaneously by Hamas and then Hezbollah. In these conditions people stick with a leader who they will think will achieve their aims.

They have this thing called elections by the way, if I think Starmer is a fucking twat and I have to wait for the next election until I can vote him out it doesn’t mean I’m suddenly living under a ”regime”. And if you had bothered you could have had a look at his polling which has been all over the shop.

I don’t think israel is genocidal no, I think they think they face an existential crisis and are doing whatever they believe to be necessary to protect their people. Unfortunately for Gazan’s their leaders don’t care quite so much about their wellbeing or them being alive full stop.

I hope in time Palestinians will have a state.

The UK has been through extremely bloody civil wars, what made you think change has been stable in the UK LOL.

Also the Irani public are doing things like tweeting out notes asking Israel to bomb the state broadcaster and shouting “death to Khomeni. As I said regime change is a bonus to the Israelis. They wipe out the regimes ability to attack them thats job done. Get rid of the mad mullahs and the whole of the middle east is better off but thats just a bonus, not a main aim.

Netanyahu a hero.😱 Bloody Hell, what a warped mind you have there.
Iran absolutely needs "dealing" with, no doubt about it.
But to say Netanyahu is a hero is deplorable

There was one assessment from USA intelligence saying they think Iran is months away (bear in mind that other intelligence from the USA said they were very close and briefing notes and contradictory notes will be produced by intelligence all the time so that they can build a picture, they don’t just go “oh well this one note says x so x it is, if you remember thats how we got the Iraq war, the testimony of one person).

The actual body monitoring things agreed that Iran was in breech, the G7 have specifically agreed I assume after looking at their own intelligence.

https://twitter.com/realMaalouf/status/1934944645538324485
An Iranian woman sends a message to the Islamic regime: “We will dance on your grave with all our hearts. We now have joy and hope for the future. The murderers of Iran’s children and women will fall. The Islamic regime will perish!"

No I think it’s ok to destroy their infrastructure to prevent them from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Like you I worry about nuclear proliferation too, so I’m delighted they won’t have a nuke and that the other gulf kingdoms then won’t feel like they have to get a nuke to protect themselves from Iran (as I mentioned in a previous post about an interview I watched with MBS).

I happen to be very pleased at the thought of Iranian women not being bundled into the back of a van and reappearing in hospital with a body broken beyond repair whilst her parents weep over her. Or no child watching as her father waves to her just before he’s hanged for disagreeing with the government.

The idea that all of that could possibly disappear pleases me immensely. I am absolutely not ashamed of that at all and nothing you could say to me would feel anything but joy for the Iranian people if they could be free from that.

I happen to be very pleased at the thought of Iranian women not being bundled into the back of a van and reappearing in hospital with a body broken beyond repair whilst her parents weep over her. Or no child watching as her father waves to her just before he’s hanged for disagreeing with the government.
The idea that all of that could possibly disappear pleases me immensely. I am absolutely not ashamed of that at all and nothing you could say to me would feel anything but joy for the Iranian people if they could be free from that.

Amen to all of that. So many lives destroyed or ended by that regime. My SIL is in Tehran rn and must be terrified, but with luck she also has hope for freedom from Islamist tyranny in future. 🙏

We saw how the power vacuum in many other countries caused absolute chaos. I had a Libyan friend who said the joy after Gaddafi was removed was very short lived.

Forcible regime change in a country like Iran won't always lead to positive results.

Posting on all the threads I am following.

I have found something extremely unsettling. This is an old video of Netanyahu laying out how he threw the Oslo Accord. This is one video BBC and Fox News wouldn’t share ever. Wow, just wow.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mvqCWvi-nFo&list=WL&index=16

You must be so scared for her. I wish her the best and I wish her “woman life freedom”! I don’t pray but I will have her in my thoughts x I wish more of the women on mumsnet would take a second to truly understand what this could mean for the girls and women of Iran (as well as all the men ofcourse). I hope it works out with all my heart ❤️

Sometimes a good laugh at the ridiculous posts is needed. I guess the best thing is to ignore them. Very odd posting.

The poster will ignore everything you have said. Facts don't penetrative. Down the rabbit hole never to emerge again.

There does seem to be more actual viceral hate for Israel and Netanyahu than for the bloodthirsty Iranian regime.

There is a reason the world is asking to arrest Netenyahu! There is reason he is conferred a war criminal. No one, not me at least, has backed Irani mullah lunatic regime but it is beyond reason you expect people to back the ICC-wanted Netanyahu and respect him. Also, I have never said I hate Israel. It is the Israeli regime that I, and the rest of the civilised world, hates for the ethnic cleansing and genocide they are committing.

I forgot to say, Mumsnet has a high anti-Israel sentiment because of the genocide they have committed and are still doing.
It is only human.

A fair bit of generalisation here.

Please stop speaking on behalf of ‘the world’, ‘the majority’, ‘the UK’ and, worst of all ‘mumsnet’.
Speak for yourself and that’s it.

No worries. Shall we invite him to visit the U.K. and see how that goes?

BBC Summary

Israel says it struck a centrifuge site in Tehran and weapons facilities as part of its overnight barrage

Donald Trump warns Iran "our patience is wearing thin", and then posts: "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!"

But the US president says "we" are not going to kill Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - "at least not for now"

Trump is considering joining Israel's strikes targeting Iran's underground nuclear sites, BBC's US partner CBS News reports

In a show of defiance, Khamenei says Iran will never compromise with Israel, and "we will show the Zionists no mercy"

Europe is divided, with France warning against a push for regime change while Germany grateful for Israel doing the "dirty work"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx23e4jz2g0t

I think Khamenei has just signed his own death warrant with that statement about how Iran will never compromise with Israel.

And like them or loathe them, things have always gone so well when foreign powers assassinate countries leaders.

True but then again things aren’t going great for Iran with this leader in charge so I hope he does get assassinated and a more moderate Iran leader appointed.

Libya serves as a textbook example of how removing an unpopular authoritarian leader through external bombing, without a stable post-conflict plan, can plunge a country into prolonged chaos and fragmentation

Post-war Libya is:
Divided
Militia-ridden
Politically paralyzed
Economically unstable
Humanitarian crisis-prone
It’s one of the clearest examples where external regime change (without follow-up occupation) led to state collapse, prolonged civil war, and foreign meddling — a textbook warning case.

The Kurds are the best packed to secede and form their own balkanised Republic.

www.kurdishpeace.org/research/security-and-defense/israel-iran-war-how-will-kurdish-actors-respond/

Second, Kurds have little incentive to move against the state first. There is no guarantee that other actors will follow or support them. Israel’s indiscriminate bombing campaign is creating a “rally ‘round the flag” effect among many Iranians who might otherwise oppose the Islamic Republic. On the other hand, mainstream opposition groups that have used the war as an opportunity to advance their case against the Islamic Republic include supporters of the deposed monarchy — which was also violently opposed to Kurdish rights. In the 2022 uprising, when Kurdish and other ethnic minority regions bore the brunt of state repression, some Persian opposition groups and leaders minimized their concerns and whitewashed Jina Amini’s Kurdish identity.

Third, rapid Kurdish engagement might attract foreign intervention that Kurds would be unable to counter from their current position. Turkish far-right leader Devlet Bahceli has already alleged that the real target of Israel’s war is not Iran but Turkey. If Kurds take action before they are capable of defending their gains, Turkey may intervene — either directly or indirectly through its ally Azerbaijan and Iran’s large Azeri population — to quash their efforts.

.