European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

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"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

My language may have been colourful, but do you have any ideas why no other country in the region want anything to do with Gazans?
Why none of them will accept any refugees?
Even none of the women and children? 🤔

I wonder if @HellsBalls is aware that the 'colourful' language and rhetoric she is using for the Palestinians whilst they are being killed in their thousands, is the same language and rhetoric that was used against Jewish people in Germany to justify the holocaust.

It isn’t, and it certainly isn’t the rhetoric that the Islamist extremists use against Israelis.

The Uk is a democracy, I did not want Brexit, Brexit happened.

Same … no guarantee you will get what you want in a democracy.

But at least you get a vote.

Are you comparing the war crimes of Netenyahu’s regime with the British people choosing Brexit? Is that what you are saying?

Because their people have been electing Netenyahu for a lifetime nearly, are you saying democracy has failed rather big time in Israel?

It's true the people have been electing Netanyahu as prime minister on and off for the last 17 years.

But that doesn't mean democracy has failed in Israel. It is their democratic right to vote for the prime minister they want.

The UK had Margaret Thatcher as prime minister for over 11 years. I never voted for her but it didn't make me doubt that I was living in a democracy.

Clearly that is not what they are saying.

Could you please answer the question rather than ‘that is not what they are saying’?
What are they saying?

They’re saying that even in a true democracy some people can vote in favour of something other people don’t want. But it’s pretty clear, isn’t it?

Are you now comparing Margaret Thacther with Netenyahu? Was she also wanted by the ICC? At what point did democracy fail in the U.K. to the point we kept electing a war criminal genocidal maniac for nearly two decades?
And if not, what has failed that resulted in him getting much power over his people’s opinion against ethnic cleansing of Palestine? Or do his people agree with him and back his regime?

I didn't say "poor innocent iran" - I referenced Oct 7th and nor did I say "Israel is bad" - it's you that's got the simplistic view here. It's not just good versus bad.

I'm saying Netanyahu et al are also psychotic and dont have the moral high ground here, either. Over 50 Palestinains were shot today at an aid centre... Many were starving people just desparate for food so can we stop dehumanising them and pretending like Israel has ONLY killed terrorists? Have you conveniently forgotten how many babies are being starved and how many children have died? How many journalists have been killed? (Until Israel decided that none be allowed in, why? What are they trying to hide?) Or the fact that they killed emergency workers? Did you forget that the IDF killed their own Israeli hostages who were waving white flags? Are we supposed to believe that the Israeli gov is heroic? That they are not also guilty of literally terrorising thousands?

The israeil people have been at war since Oct 2023 too, do you think they want their government to now start bombing yet another country? Israel have attacked Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and now Iran. What, in your opinion constitutes a fair and proportional response to the atrocities of Oct 7th? Does it include bombing multiple countries, killing tens of thousands and endangering their own people further? How many more have to die? What will staisfy Netanyahu's lust for blood?

The world is being held to ransom by a handful of power maniacs and Netanyahu is Machevillian-like in his quest for power.

Do you always draw facile conclusions, or are you merely trying to use petty rhetoric to push your agenda?

Also, are you always saying Are you saying? I’ve noticed a bit of repetition in your phrasing could there be an issue with how the responses are being generated or is it a stylistic choice to avoid engaging with the core of what someone’s saying?

I don’t think further clarification is necessary as it feels like the conversation isn’t being approached in good faith. Repeatedly asking for clarification when the points are already clear seems more like a feeble attempt to derail the discussion than to engage with it genuinely.

But it’s pretty clear, isn’t it?\
You'd think so 😉but then, there’s nothing as queer as folk.

No it is not very clear actually. Netenyahu did not become a PM with a minority vote. He must have had a majority vote to form a government as that is how democracy works.
So he either represents his people (which I don’t believe - I refuse to believe Israeli people are supporting his crimes), or he does not. If he does not, we have a regime in Israel and no functional democracy. If he does, we have a far bigger problem at our hands because it means a majority of Israeli nation is backing his action (which I refuse to believe still).

We have a clever clogs 😆

You believe no clarification is necessary because you are now stuck. If you do indeed have a measured response, please feel free to respond. Otherwise, do not challenge the word ‘regime’. Something has failed ‘bigly’ in Israel as Trump would say. I am trying to find out what.

Colourful? Your language was racist and dehumanising. What are you trying to suggest? using some of your language...Palestinians are a cancer and no one wants them. Why do you think it is appropriate to speak of people like that? What do you expect people to say yeah your right they're truly awful why would anyone want them. Do you know any Palestinians? I do and I'm extremely offended on their behalf.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Your language was bad but not as bad as Islamic extremists? So that makes it ok? what a low bar you set for yourself.

‘This War Is Not Helping Us’
Members of Iran’s opposition want change, and fear for their lives.
By Arash Azizi

https://archive.ph/c1CiV#selection-581.0-597.11

“I oppose the Islamic Republic and Khamenei with all my being,” a 24-year-old activist, who asked that I withhold her name out of concern for her safety, told me from Tehran. “I took part in many demonstrations during the Women, Life, Freedom movement. But now I can’t even think about the regime or overthrowing it. I am scared. I am worried. I fear for the life of myself and everyone around me.”

A 26-year-old activist who was arrested during the 2022–23 protests told me that she was emphatically opposed to the Israeli strikes. “The war goes beyond the regime,” she said in a phone call. “It has massive negative consequences for our country. It is destroying the economy. It can lead to hunger, shortage of medicine, cutting connections with abroad. It is a total disaster. It is killing innocent people in both Israel and Iran.”

One young activist was busy trying to escape the capital with her elderly and sick mother when I called. They were heading north, to the coast of Caspian Sea, an area thought to be safer from attacks. “I can’t think about activism under the sound of drones and missiles, can I?” she asked me rhetorically. “I don’t support the targeting of civilians anywhere, whether in Iran or Israel.”

Never mind me being a clever clog.

The question is indeed very simple: is Israel a functional democracy if an ICC’s wanted is their prime minister attacking neighbouring countries and committing genocide with impunity?
If not, the word ‘regime’ most definitely applies. If yes, we have a huge problem as this country has nukes and its rulers are committing a genocide and potentially attempting another one with the backing of their population (I refuse to believe the ‘yes’ alternative though - I just cannot believe this and there are sufficient reports that show I shouldn’t).

Ok the level of batshit is too much - Bye.

Meanwhile EU again:
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz expresses strong support for Israel in its attacks on Iran, speaking on the sidelines of the G7 summit in Canada.
“This is the dirty work Israel is doing for all of us. We are also victims of this regime. This mullah regime has brought death and destruction to the world,”

It is very hard when people throw a tantrum and refuse to engage.
Or have you lost the argument and trying to save face (which does not make me happy anyway - it is all very stressful and I wish this was not happening)?

You are insulting the British governments and voting with the Israeli regime’s actions. That is pretty insulting to me personally.