European Commission President days Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Israel has right to defend itself

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"European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said she told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday that diplomacy was ultimately best on Iran, but stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Von der Leyen said that she agreed with Netanyahu in a telephone call that "Iran should not have a nuclear weapon, without any question."

Von der Leyen has previously criticised Israel's actions in Gaza, but said that Iran's non-compliance with the UN nuclear watchdog meant Israel "has the right to defend itself".

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability," she added."

What do you think is the cause of this extremism?

Culture.

That’s racism

Get a grip. You truly believe the west has caused Islamic terrorism to grow?

Presumably they live in the UK and might have dc. It’s concerning to see support for hostile states. SM is an own goal at times.

@izthiszeend

"What do you think is the cause of this extremism?"

Two things:

Islamists extremists in the West. Generally speaking there is more Islamic extremism in the West than there is in the Middle East. When high expectations in life don't turn out as you hoped then many Muslims turn to a more extreme interpretation of their faith and a hatred towards the West, fuelled by a victim culture.

Left wing ideology of oppressor and oppressed. Ever since Marx there has been a view that for one section of society to succeed then this must involve another section of society suffering, rather than an overall rise for everyone (albeit with the rewards not always fairly distributed)

In this case whichever is the strongest side is always the oppressor or bad side regardless of the causes. For example if a bully punches a small kid who turns out to be a boxing champion and the small kid absolutely obliterates the bully. Then the oppressor is the small kid and not the bully. Hamas attacks Israel and then gets obliterated she Israel are the bad guys.

I've just said on another thread, liberals are too busy looking out for the wrong enemy.

I don’t share your threats model.
And I don’t think there are nations who just dream of hurting others for the sake of it, instead of just living their lives, caring for their children. Thinking otherwise is racism.

Of course there are sociopaths (in every nation) - we should not arm them.
And also oppressed people with no hope who want vengeance - we should not create more of them.

Just look at Iran's 'supreme' leader's position on this. He has warned the US about intervening and assisting Israel. The same Iran, who sponsors Hamas. It is not racist to despise a region who is NOT interested in protecting its women and children. Their hate for the west and Jews is what is dangerous. I do not despise Muslims, I despise extremists.

I wouldn't consider posts on sm as an accurate reflection on how the majority think. I'm sure if sm was around decades ago it would be the same stuff being posted

Tell that to the people who spend their time trawling social media looking for Israelis saying awful things and post it here as though it is some kind of evidence.

In 2015 they signed up to a program, with rigorous inspections and complied.
Trump tore it up in 2018.
In 2025 Trump invited them to reagree the program. They came to negotiate, and Netanyahu bombed Iran killing the chief negotiator (and Trump approved).
Why do you find Iran’s reaction surprising?
Do you believe Iran does not have a right to self defence?
You see Iran as a source of instability, but it looks otherwise from aside.

Netanyahu and his neocon cronies are the ones that threaten the stability of Europe. He would prefer chaos on his borders than peaceful co- existence and has been working for 30 years to destabilize the surrounding countries, pitching them into the hands of extremists when it suits him. His finger is in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon
He carries some of the responsibility for the flooding of Europe with refugees which in turn has shifted so many towards right wing politicians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
Nothing would give him greater pleasure than an attack on a US embassy by Iran backed proxies. Don’t forget the Mossad operatives that danced with joy on 9/11 who conveniently disappeared back to Israel.
Netanyahu would be happy to see Iran to turn into another Afghanistan with American boots on the ground, hundreds of thousands fleeing a taliban type regime into the EU and Britain. He would like to see the Americans and the Brits conscripted and killed while his own lads are praying in their Yeshivas and voting for his coalition.

Tell that to the people who spend their time trawling social media looking for Israelis saying awful things

You don't need to trawl social media just listen to the Israeli government ministers, watch the news and documentaries like Louis Theroux

I don't respect any country that still stones women to death. You really think its leaders are protecting their people? The real maniacs are the Iranians, who support Hamas, who deliberately raped and murdered Jewish women and children. You do you.

Yes but none of that is evidence of what Israelis in general think, any more than the social media posts you were referring to.

This doesn’t mean much and of course it’s an expression of how some people think. What proportion would need to be looked in to.

I include some pro hostile states posters on mn too. It’s problematic and govs do understand the threat from SM hence it’s illegal to support a terrorist org online and offline in the U.K.

That doesn’t stop all own goal stuff but tg we have that or it’d be carnage.

Do you bomb every country you don’t respect?

I hope we could respect international laws we agreed on after WW2.
Iran’s regime is oppressive to its citizens.
Israel is oppressive to Palestinians.
Netanyahu supported Hamas.
Attacking other countries is a crime.

Whatever your views on the current conflict, it’s not exactly controversial to view Iran as a source of instability!

Possibly. But not the biggest one.

Come back and talk when you've watching the Stoning of Sorya - based on a true story. That will tell you all you need to know about Iran's stability.

Most of us know Iran is one of our greatest enemies. Now is a good time for the Iranian diaspora in the UK and elsewhere to see if they can help the regime topple. it is a unique opportunity.

What’s your view on Iran developing nuclear weapons?

Should that happen?

Why would posts supporting hostile states need to be looked into? It's not illegal as it is to support a terrorist organisation. Anyway the vast majority are just keyboard warriors.

I include some pro hostile states posters on mn too.
This is said a lot but in reality people are not supportive of how things are being dealt with not actually supportive of hostile states. It's such a simplistic accusation that people make