To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

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Israel is a country at war and I know many will have links or family in that country so I think it appropriate to wish them safety in the coming days.

You will find the answer to that in the number of deleted posts on the thread.

Or deliberately prodding the bear…

💯 Some posters like to start fights. I doubt it is rooted in a concern about civilian deaths.

I have to agree. It seems posters don’t want to acknowledge that it’s not Israel who start these conflicts with Palestine.
Maybe leave Israel in peace with the land they were originally given in 1948 🤷‍♀️ They were more than happy to accept the offer, declare independence and start afresh.
Unfortunately those holocaust survivors and their descendants are still being persecuted.

I also wish safety and peace upon the innocent people in Iran, Palestine and Lebanon.

I’m pretty sure those who are showing such care and support for the innocent lives in Israel haven’t shown or shared the same level of care and support for the other innocent lives in Gaza and Lebanon etc.

Well TBF most of the Israel haters/anti semites didn’t much care about the lives of Gazans under Hamas, the Lebanese under Hezbollah, the Yeminis or even the Iranians under the current regime before Oct 7th did they?

They only seem to care Israel when has had to defend themselves against them…………..

Those people get their information from pro Palestinian groups - not from history.

Israel is currently committing a genocide in Gaza. It has bombed Iranian nuclear facilities. It has bombed and invaded Lebanon, it has bombed and invaded Syria. It has bombed Yemen. During ceasefire talks it bombed the Hamas negotiator in Tehran. It has starved over 2 million people in Gaza. It has bombed every hospital, every school, every church, every home in Gaza. It has sniped CHILDREN in the head. It has razed Gaza to the ground. It has killed over 200 journalists in Gaza. It has killed thousands of medical workers. It has killed people waiting in line for aid. It has killed civilians in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Gaza, The West Bank. It continues to expand its settlements in the West Bank. Israel is not defending itself.

Calling people antisemitic for being against Israel’s actions is pathetic at this point.

And how exactly would you know that? There wasn’t even a CITME board before October 7th, so let’s not pretend you had some deeper insight. Your “well, to be fair” comment just confirms what’s already obvious — you don’t actually care about Palestinians, Lebanese, or Iranians. Only Israeli lives seem to matter to you.

If you still believe this is purely about self-defense, I’d really urge you to take a step back and look at the broader picture. What we’re seeing — the scale of destruction, the displacement, the civilian toll — goes far beyond defense. At some point, it starts to resemble something much darker: the systematic removal of a people from their land.

Recognising that doesn’t mean rejecting one side’s right to safety. It means being honest about what’s actually happening — and who’s paying the price for it.

It is not antisemitic to be that naive. Antisemitic undertones are seen in many posts, which, finds themselves deleted.

I actually think the conflict in the middle East has backfired if the intention was to have an echo chamber about the alleged genocide in Gaza. The conflict in the region has spread and there a multiple of discussions to be had including the proximity of Iran to developing a nuclear weapon.

There are huge cries from lefty types that coverage of a conflict of huge international significance involving Israel is now dominating the news. Maybe some want this site to once again be 'a look at Gaza' echo chamber when now we have obviously a lot more complex situation where Hamas propaganda has lost its punch.

Are you sleep walking through life or living in some kind of echo chamber? People are on to Israel now and it isn't going to change. Support for Israel is at an all time low. There is no 'silent majority' that pro Israel types like to speak of. Everybody knows what the Israel government is, some don't care but they still know even though they beat on about 'Hamas propaganda'.

These graphs on Israels favourability say it all, they can blow up as many people as they like at this point and that isn't going to change.

There was piece on the BBC interviewing Israeli children who had lost their homes in Iranian attacks and their fortitude shone through. There will be no pieces in the Guardian highlighting destruction of Israeli property or how medical teams work tirelessly in Israel to treat the injured. Having to write about these situations would be to upset the Israel = bad narrative so many want to push despite Israel leading on preventing nuclear proliferation that could be a threat to the world at large. At least it seems the US has the moral courage to support Israel in these efforts when Israeli citizens have lost their lives for this cajse.

Well I am grateful that the BBC has access to the bombed out sites and can interview these children and verify what has happened to them. Good to see their voice is getting heard

There will be no pieces in the Guardian highlighting destruction of Israeli property or how medical teams work tirelessly in Israel to treat the injured. Having to write about these situations would be to upset the Israel = bad narrative
This is in your head what is happening in Israel and coverage of the strikes has been all across mainstream news

Starving people, shooting starving people, bringing down the medical sysytem, killing aid workers, displacing pretty much an entire people and calling for their ethnic cleansing are still all bad things though, showing some aid workers in Israel isn't going to change people opinions on that. Nor is Israel bombing Iran.

You understand that right? You can't bomb your way into making people like you. I wish the Israeli government would get the memo on that one, it would save a hell of lot of lives across multiple countries including Israel.

It’s interesting you say that, because framing global attention on Gaza as an “echo chamber” dismisses the core issue: the scale and nature of what’s happening there. The suffering of civilians — especially on that level — isn’t propaganda, and calling it that deflects from the reality on the ground. Recognizing mass displacement, destruction of infrastructure, and civilian casualties as signs of a humanitarian crisis isn’t about being “lefty” — it’s about being human.

Yes, the region is complex. Iran, Hezbollah, the risk of regional escalation — all of that matters and deserves serious discussion. But complexity shouldn’t be used as an excuse to sideline Gaza, or to pretend the world suddenly grew tired of paying attention because the story “lost its punch.” Maybe the problem isn’t too much focus on Gaza — maybe it’s that too many are uncomfortable with what the focus reveals.

Hmm, but you are not mentioning the Hamas charter. You are not mentioning that it’s rarely Israel who starts the kick offs.
As if Israel GAF about being ‘liked’. They just want to be left alone but Islamic a holes won’t afford them the peace they desire.
hamas are not exactly helping are they. Hamas woke a sleeping bear but it’s convenient to ignore that. Hamas the government that seems to care less about it’s citizens than Israel do

It’s hard to watch the outrage over Israeli civilians being bombed when there has been so little sympathy shown for Palestinians, who have been bombed, starved, and ethnically cleansed for decades. The mainstream media rushes to show Israeli homes in ruins, interviews with traumatised citizens, and the human cost of attacks. Yet it rarely offers the same visibility to Palestinian suffering.

The suffering of Israelis is real. But so is the suffering of Palestinians, and it has been far more widespread and long lasting. The selective empathy by both the media and our politicians shows a stark hypocrisy.

I wish for Israelis only what they have wished for Palestinians. Nothing more, nothing less. And that is the heart of the issue. Because if Palestinians were treated with the same humanity and dignity that Israelis demand for themselves, we would not be in this situation.

It isn't Israel's objective to make people 'like' it, as you so niavely put it. It's Israels objective to keep it's own citizens safe. Which means taking out Hamas once and for all.

Strikes on Iran are part of the same goal. Iran is believed to have enough near weapons grade uranium to make 9 nuclear bombs, and has been clear about its wish to destroy Israel. You may not agree with it, but it makes sense.

The world isn't so simple as you'd like it to be im afraid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o.amp

Unfortunately complexity does very much matter.
I understand that people call it ‘genocide’ but it could also be framed as ‘Hamas not looking after its own’
When I watch news cameras in Gaza I don’t see a genocide. I see a warped government who cares about its religion over its people

A similar sentiment was voiced by the people ripping down and defacing posters of the Bibas babies just after 7/10.

Can’t you see it as both?

Not all Israelis "wish" the same thing for Palestinians.

Of course not all Israelis think the same, just as not all Palestinians do. But the outcomes speak for themselves. The policies of the Israeli government, supported by large segments of the public, have led to mass displacement, siege, and the deaths of thousands of Palestinians, including children. If there were truly widespread outrage within Israeli society over this treatment, we would see more meaningful opposition to it.

When I say “I wish for Israelis what they wish for Palestinians,” I am not referring to every individual’s personal feelings. I am speaking about the reality on the ground and the collective impact. The point is about accountability and empathy. If Israeli lives are valued, then Palestinian lives must be valued too. Equality is not too much to ask.