To wish those in Israel safety in these coming times

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Israel is a country at war and I know many will have links or family in that country so I think it appropriate to wish them safety in the coming days.

@dairydebris it won't let me quote you or add a link for some reason but yes the world isn't as simple is it. After 30 years of warnings from Israel that Iran were '3 years away from a nuclear weapons', guess what, Iran were still 3 years away from nuclear weapons and not even pursuing it. This is from an article today from CNN.

When Israel launched its series of strikes against Iran last week, it also issued a number of dire warnings about the country’s nuclear program, suggesting Iran was fast approaching a point of no return in its quest to obtain nuclear weapons and that the strikes were necessary to preempt that outcome.

But US intelligence assessments had reached a different conclusion – not only was Iran not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon, it was also up to three years away from being able to produce and deliver one to a target of its choosing, according to four people familiar with the assessment.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away

Link to the article.

Well, 2 different agencies with 2 different opinions. And even on conservative estimate, 3 years isn't long at all.

You think that's good odds for Israel to take?

You and I may differ on which we believe but its quite a risk isn't it?

Luckily I'm not in charge of making military, strategic decisions.

But I appreciate the importance of Never Again.

Netanyahu chose to act now because he's a sneaky snake who wants to take the attention off the genocide Israel is carrying out in Gaza. He was also losing support in Israel and has regained that since the attacks. The timing is politically motivated for Netanyahu's survival as PM.

The only thing at risk was Netanyahus reign of terror. It's great that he recovered from his 'illness' just in time to save the world from Iran.

I think you are wrong. Netanyahu is toast anyway after the Oct 7th terrorism on his watch. He knows it.
He’s taken the blame for Gaza, and he’ll take the blame for Iran.
Once both conflicts end, he’ll be out of office and the next government won’t need to come straight into a hot war.
Netanyahu is a hero.

Netanyahu's reign of terror is precisely what we are all witnessing right now.

So what exactly is it you wish on Israelis then?

Netanyahu is a hero.

I wonder how many Israelis agree with you.

You don't believe Israel is at risk if Iran gets nuclear weapons?

It's their only defence

I don't believe Iran was trying to nuke Israel no. '3 years away' for more than 30 years and no evidence that they were even trying. That doesn't speak of a place desperate to nuke Israel out of existence.

Israel on the other hand have dropped the equivalent of 6 Hiroshimas on the tiny strip of land that is Gaza and people don't believe Israel are trying to wipe them out of existence. Make it make sense.

No I can’t to be honest. Why would I sympathise with a terrorist led territory who put into action some poxy outdated vendetta on ‘Zionist’s’?
I probably would not have been so nonchalant and uncaring about Gaza if their government had not decided to be absolute bellends; that and the world refusing to acknowledge the fact Hamas is the actual problem.
Do I like to see starving kids? No of course I don’t. I just think it’s the result of despotism and not the fault of Israel defending its people.
All the pro Palestine bullshit marches when there are far more people being persecuted globally and they don’t seem to be getting the same support.
’Genocide’ is a global problem and religion is always the problem

What I wish for Israelis is exactly what I wish for Palestinians. Safety, freedom, dignity, and the right to live without fear. Nothing more, and certainly nothing less.

The problem is that Palestinians have been denied all of those things for generations. When I said “I wish for Israelis what they wish for Palestinians,” it was a way of highlighting the double standards. If some Israelis support policies that inflict collective punishment, siege, and occupation on Palestinians, then they cannot be surprised when people question the moral ground they stand on while demanding sympathy in return.

Wait, you you're saying that you wish for Israelis what they wish for Palestinians, that Israelis wish collective punishment, siege, and occupation on Palestinians, and that you wish safety, freedom, dignity, and the right to live without fear on Israelis. Doesn't really compute.

It’s telling to call someone a “hero” while admitting he oversaw one of the worst intelligence failures in Israeli history, the devastation of Gaza, and the escalation toward regional war with Iran. If Netanyahu knows he’s to blame, as you say, then where’s the heroism in that?

He has presided over unprecedented civilian deaths, both Israeli and Palestinian, and his decisions have made Israel less safe and more isolated. What kind of hero uses endless war to cling to power while dodging corruption trials?

History won’t remember him as a hero. It will remember him as the man who chose political survival over peace, justice, and human life.

Iran's leader is on record calling for the destruction of Israel.

The world has been aware that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons for years. There have been sanctions. Negotiations. Inspections. And in the last week a report from the IAEA which I've linked below.

These are all facts. Reality.

Most people are able to see the possible connection between those dots... and that is the risk.

But you honestly don't believe Israel is at risk? At all?

We've gone down another mumsnet wormhole with posters arguing black is white and white is black. Dialog feels impossible.

Sorry, link-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o.amp

If Israelis support or tolerate a system that imposes siege, occupation, and collective punishment on Palestinians, then they should not expect the world’s outrage only when those same conditions touch Israeli lives. That double standard is what I’m calling out.

When I say I wish for Israelis what they wish for Palestinians, that’s exactly what I mean. If some wish safety, dignity, and freedom for all then I wish the same for them. But if others support or are indifferent to the brutal oppression of the Palestinians, then I don’t think it’s unreasonable to wish the same for them.

I don’t see how that’s a contradiction. If Israelis believe they deserve basic human rights then they should believe in those same human rights for the Palestinians. If they don’t then I have little sympathy for them.

Right. So if people think a certain thing they deserve to be oppressed and killed. Lovely.

Although I don't know how you impose seige on only certain people while sparing the people who have beliefs you approve of.

Incidentally, if there are Palestinians who wish death to Israelis do you also think they should be killed?

I hope everyone involved in this madness is kept safe. A bunch of blokes in a pissing fight, literally all as bad as each other. And criticism of Israel’s actions is no more anti-Jewish than criticism of Iran’s actions is anti-Muslim. It’s blokes with bombs using religion to justify a thirst for power.

Of course Israel are at some risk they have bombed Palestine, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen in the last month alone. No where can do that at not be at some risk.

Israel turned down an offer of protection from 57 Arab and Muslim countries in return for a Palestinian state. They have offered peace. The Israeli government don't want it. They don't do diplomacy, they drop bombs, they break international law across multiple countries, they terrorise the region with US money.

If Iran wanted to nuke Israel they would be making nukes. They aren't. Israel on the other hand, fuck knows what they have because they won't sign the NPT, they won't allow inspections. All we can go off is what we see and that is multiple breeches of International law across multiple countries across multiple years and no effort at all towards peace.

Where did I say anyone deserves to be oppressed or killed? I didn’t. What I did say is that I have little sympathy for any Israeli who believes Palestinians deserve to be bombed, starved, displaced and killed, and then act shocked when they get a tiny taste of their own medicine.

If you support or justify the oppression of an entire population, you don’t get to cry foul when that same violence comes back around.
I want safety and dignity for everyone. But I won’t pretend to feel the same level of sympathy for those who actively uphold or excuse brutality against others.

You said you wish on Israelis what they wish on Palestinians. There are a few Israelis who want Palestinians to be oppressed or killed. Ergo...

As for not feeling sympathy, how do you determine what a victim's views were before you decide whether to have sympathy for them or not?