Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling

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Maybe Gary Lineker's departure acts as a warning for this not acquainted with history to go around randomly reposting pro Palestinian links though I suspect he is not the only one. In a way it is a sad demise to a career but an absolutely necessary one and a timely warning that a proportion of P Palestinian supporters are anti semites.

for to say I didn't like the Gaurdian 's take that the BBC were looking to sack Gary anyway and he just have them an excuse.

Or you could just say that you don't give a fuck about Palestine, there is really no need to try and project it on other fictionary people once again.

Anyway Gary has been snapped up to front the next World Cup by another company. Obviously.

If only the world being more nuanced was reflected in posts of the pro Palestinian variety.
Furthermore, Western Leftists absolutely do not consider Far Right Islamism as something to critique.
That you cannot think about Islamism outside of Palestine is a fault of your intellect, not mine.
Western Leftists have not taken up the matter of Islamist targetting of Christians in Northern Nigeria, South East Asia, it's increase in West and non Horner East Africa, how the Jamaican government has been warned about its potential due to the high incidence of prison conversion and radicalisation of returning deported male citizens.
Or the fact that outside of South America (seemingly), no continent in the world has not suffered brutal Islamist attacks from within in the last ten years.
And now in the UK , Islamism is even trying to bring about anti blasphemy law consideration. This would turn this nation from a secular Christian one where all faiths can be practiced into one that turns the UK upside down.
Aside from authoritarianism, misogyny, group think and purity spirals there is nothing that should attract a Leftist to tolerate the notion of Islamism.

That you cannot think of Islamism outside of Palestine shows the Black and White thinking of yourself pertaining to the world.

Islamism is currently causing far more suffering in far higher numbers than anything happening in Gaza. Yemen is a completely failed nation of decades as is Somalia. Islamism being one of the root causes of both with Syria competing. Let's not talk about Libya or Egypt or increasingly Tunisia , Sri Lanka, Phillipines.

Not to ignore the current devastation occurring in Gaza, of course.

Geopolitically, nobody who cares about the state of the world wants the Middle East and North Africa to become a total Islamist stronghold.
Unfortunately for Palestinians, or better put, unfortunately for those who do not think that Israel's existence is of importance, relevant, or even valid ....outside of any thought pertaining to Israeli nationhood/Gazan suffering, the notion of Hamas being seen to not lose this war cannot happen.

Why Western Leftists do not talk about that fact and put their embrace of Islamism card on the table and the fact that Islamism is a better political alternative to them , (especially in the Middle East than not and that Russia and China would prefer it that way) is what interests me.
The cleverer amongst them are as prepared to use Gazan bodies to make the Islamist point as much as Hamas is.
That so many "baby" Western Leftists cannot see this is their fault, not mine.

The Palestinians have always drawn the short straw when it comes to Western/non Palestinian advocacy .

I think some people have a hard time realising some people think all lives have equal value. That none of us are superior or more deserving of life because of who we are or what we believe.

Anything less than seeing Israel and Palestine through the prism of Palestinian life loss due to conflict between the two is no arbiter of inability to see all life as having worth.

However, the inability to use linear thought in place of debate stifling, anthemic rhetoric (or the projection of emotional extremity) is a common tactic used by those against anybody who does not view Israel, Gaza, the world, their own principles through the lens of real or imagined Palestinian (as a group) wish fulfillment.

A similar tactic used by Transactivists.

@EasyTouch
This thread was about Palestine hence my “focus.”

The rest of your thread is just a succession of lazy tropes about the evils of Islam. Simplistic and cherry picked examples to fit your obvious Islamophobic narrative. Criticising the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and current ‘collective punishment’ of the entire Gazan population does not equal supporting Hamas. And this ‘victory’ you feel is so essential….. what does that look like? Does it justify the entire destruction of a people and a place? I’d say that this western imperialist attitude is far more dangerous than your “Islamist” examples.

And Western Leftists as you call them have been the only ones criticizing radical Islamism; there has been no end of criticism and protest about the Taliban, Boko Haram, Iran, etc. from the left and none from the right. But they also critique the U.S. and allies continual interference and proxy wars started in numerous countries, the propping up Saudi Arabia or selling weapons to Israel to ensure they have a ‘ally’ in a region they have no business being in in the first place. Radical Islamism has no doubt causes suffering in Somalia, Yemen, Libya etc but what caused the power vacuums in the first place? Almost without exception western invasions, cold war coups, IMF neoliberalism, various dictators backed by Western governments for reasons that were never the best interest of that country or its population. Radical Islamism has filled the void left by atrocious behaviours by the western “powers” who are now terrified that their control and power is dwindling and thus lashing out and blaming a religion where 95% of its followers are moderates.

I’ll grant you that Radical Islamism is a global threat but it’s by far not the only one nor the most extreme. The rise of western fascism and authoritarian nationalism that allows capitalism to run wild and continues to fuel a climate crisis that will predominately be born non western countries are far far greater threats.

But your myopic one sided view lacks any nuance (which is where my fist post started!) and you have simply proven the problem by not setting your diatribe and examples against Islamists in any form context. Just reeled off bog standard old fashioned right wing fascism.

Wow you have a strong aptitude for word salad. If you aim to communicate, you need to learn to express your ideas more clearly. It's a shame because you might have something valuable to contribute, I just can't make head nor tail out of most of it.

Short attention spans will become more common in the AI user generation sadly.

Is English your first language? Your writing is quite disjointed and difficult to follow at times so attacking people who find it difficult to follow is not that helpful.

I thought you'd come back with a you're too thick to understand comment. Understandably, most people are not great at taking feedback. 🙂

“I’ll grant you that Radical Islamism is a global threat but it’s by far not the only one nor the most extreme. The rise of western fascism and authoritarian nationalism that allows capitalism to run wild and continues to fuel a climate crisis that will predominately be born non western countries are far far greater threats.”

That is your opinion.

If you are a Nigerian Christian living in certain areas of Nigeria you might consider radical Islamist a far far greater threat to your existence than the climate crisis.

I don’t think the Palestinians in Gaza would say the greatest threat they face right now is the climate crisis ….

@OpheliaWasntMad

Somewhat baffled by the relevance of both your posts to mine that you’ve quoted.

I doubt the Rohingya or the Uyghurs - both muslim minorities subject to documented genocides - would see radical Islamists or climate change as their greatest threat nor if you a female and living in the state of Georgia where your corpse can be kept alive to incubate a deformed fetus due to the Christian fundamentalist laws now in place.

Not sure what your point is? That climate change isn’t the most immediate threat to some people?

Dont believe I said it was ….although if you are in Nigeria given that it is in the top ten of countries most affected right now it might be? In 2022 flooding affected 2.5 million people and caused extensive damage to the country’s farmland. By 2028 an estimated 25 million Nigerians will face high levels of food insecurity due to flooding directly attributed to climate change so maybe it is?

Looks like the sad demise to his career wasn't really that. He's been signed to ITV for some sort of prime time game show.
And at a guess he won't be doing it for free.