Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling

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Maybe Gary Lineker's departure acts as a warning for this not acquainted with history to go around randomly reposting pro Palestinian links though I suspect he is not the only one. In a way it is a sad demise to a career but an absolutely necessary one and a timely warning that a proportion of P Palestinian supporters are anti semites.

for to say I didn't like the Gaurdian 's take that the BBC were looking to sack Gary anyway and he just have them an excuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/03/palestinians-killed-israeli-fire-aid-point-gaza-officials-say

At some point you will stop denying the truth. Or maybe it's easier for you to believe the propaganda - supporting a gov that behaves like this must be hard on any human's conscience, so I can see why you just block it with excuses. Truly heart-breaking .

It's not my job to "make excuses" for Israel against things I know little about (like the long history of what has happened between Israel & Palestine before this war) or things that I don't agree with, like the settlements.

I don't support Israel without reservation, I don't agree with everything they do or everything they may have done historically.

What I do is support Israel in this particular war because I believe Hamas caused it not Israel. Hamas bought hell to their people, and Hamas need to surrender and release the remaining hostages.

That report in the Guardian is two different accounts, one of which is clearly fabricated.

’IDF attack thousands of queuing civilians with tanks and drones at aid center’
vs
‘IDF engage approaching suspects after firing warning shots near distribution center’.

Can you see which one might be Hamas propaganda?

The scary thing is I'm not sure some can tell which is likely to be propaganda and which not.

Exactly. Many posters deliberately ignoring this distinction.
I am Irish and grew up horrified at the IRA bombings, alongside my family and anyone I knew. Thankfully the British government didn't opt for 'self defence' and bomb Ireland, happily and openly killing tens of thousands of us.
And as a pp has outlined, this did not start in October 23.

Coming after him how?

The British Gov at the time got up to a lot that they aren't too proud of now - but it very much pales into comparison and I feel the same way as you do. I can't imagine how it feels to be in Gaza right now - they must feel the world has abandoned them. The Israeli government is barbaric.

You believe what you want - what is your current death toll estimate? Are you one of the people on here who doesn't believe a lot of people have been killed? Who thinks the numbers are made up? Are you one of the deniers? Because all I see here is people making excuses for the Israeli Government. History changes nothing - people only see what they want to see - especially if they think it will achieve the aim that suits them.

No.

“I genuinely believe that Lineker is not blessed with a significant amount of grey matter.”

yeh - it’s not like he owns the biggest independent uk podcast company with audience of millions and three in the top 10 in the uk. A film production company that sells its documentary to Netflix but yeh…he’s a thick footballer. 🙄

His political beliefs are left wing, he’s pro-Palestine. He vehemently opposed brexit and anti immigration rhetoric.
He reposted one ill informed post.

Mumsnet is fucking ridiculous

Who started the war depends on when you start the clock. The first 9 months of 2023 were deadly for Palestinians with over 30 children being killed by Israel just in the West Bank where there is no Hamas . Does that give the Palestinians the right to obliterate the whole of Israel ???? By your reckoning it does. There’s no excuse for genocide . Your post shouts that Israeli lives are worth more than Palestinians and apologies but they’re not. All lives are equal . How you can even begin to justify the slaughter of one baby let alone tens of thousands is beyond me !!!!!

I was talking about who started this particular war as I made clear.

I don't want to get into starting the clock because as far as I can tell both sides have big grudges against the other side going back into history and that's a whole other debate who has done worse to whom. Which is why I'm just focussing on this war.

Hamas caused this particular war and that has nothing to do with Israeli or Palestinian lives being more important.

It may be impossible to justify the slaughter of one baby but you seem to be attempting to justify what Hamas did on October 7th by talking about historical grievances. Children were killed on October 7th you know and afterwards by Hamas.

You can’t arbitrarily decide when the conflict began. Try telling the parents of the Palestinian children who died in the WB prior to 7/10 that their children’s deaths did not occur within the right timeframe to trouble people now, that things only really began to matter when children died on 7/10.

No-one is attempting to justify 7/10. But lots of pro-Israeli posters attempt to justify 10,000s of deaths and massive (as yet not fully understood in its exact likely horrifying magnitude) mental and physical health morbidity due to 7/10.

Not really fair to have it both ways.

@Stripes56 ”You can’t arbitrarily decide when the conflict began.”

You can, October 7th.
That’s what the man in the street understands.

Yes I purposely deleted a reference to the British Army and government in the conflict but still, a vastly different response.

More like when Netanyahu got back in 29 December 2022.

I guess it depends on which streets you walk on?
If It’s a street in Israel - I can well believe it.

Even if 7/10 introduced the difficulties of ME into the public limelight - that interest has cast a spotlight onto the difficulties that Palestinians have and continue to face in Gaza and the WB.

yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52279-net-favourability-towards-israel-reaches-new-lows-in-key-western-european-countries

I think your suggestion that this started on 7th Oct is just convenient for your conscience. 7th Oct did not happen in isolation - it’s entirely related to the past - it was an atrocity but the causes had roots in the past. To not acknowledge the past is at best ignorant but more likely manipulative.

Why do people start throwing emotionally manipulative crap around on this particular war like ‘convenient on your conscience’, trying to shame and guilt people who are not lapping up terrorist propaganda and anti Israel rhetoric.

I have only know this in this war.

Is it convenient for your conscience to not acknowledge all the terrorist attacks including suicide bombings, shooting and stabbing rampages, plane hijackings, rocket attacks and murder of an entire Olympic team that Palestinians carried out against Israelis before Oct 7th?

That the Palestinians refused all opportunities to create their own State and elected in a terrorist government with a charter to annihilate Israel and kill all the Jews 18 years before Oct 7th?

That Israel has had to fight 9 wars against Arab armies since 1948 and is on its 4th with the Palestinians, none of which Israel started?

To not acknowledge the past is at best ignorant but more likely manipulative.

But of a sidetrack, but how did Western Leftists end up supporting Far Right Islamism?
Is Anti Westernism of more importance than counteracting Far Rightism of the non Western variety to Western Leftists?

I have yet to see the logic in its embrace of far right Islamism outside of my theory.

This is exactly what most people believe. Which is why no one really gives a crap about Palestine. They instigated this conflict over decades, and if Israel doesn’t continue to persecute this war, then history will repeat itself in the (relatively) near future. Palestine/Gaza has proved itself to be both treacherous and murderous, so should not be allowed to do so once again.

At least you are honest about why you don’t flinch when you see children starving or families being bombed. Do you think everyone in Gaza should die or would you prefer if they moved elsewhere?

Western leftist didn’t end up supporting far right Islamist! Thats the black and white world which may have seem simpler but doesn’t exist. The world is more nuanced and sometimes one finds oneself not supporting but sometimes agreeing with some very strange bedfellows.

On the surface, you could argue that left wing radical feminists are now apparently aligned in thought with Christian right fundamentalists over the trans rights vs women’s rights. Of course, if you scratch the surface they absolutely are not aligned at all - it’s just the headline they agree with but the nuance - the actual rationale and thinking - is everything and couldn't be further apart.

Equally, as you put it western leftist do not support radical far right fundamentalists. Of course they do not. But watching a people be systemically exterminated because of what their ruling party believe is pretty hard to stomach.

I passionately believe that Putin is an evil facist so would I therefore support the annihilation of the Russian people because I believe this - no I would not. I don’t believe that the Russian people deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth because Putin is their leader.

You might find it is just in your bubble, the same bubble that you claim believe the Palestinians all brought it on themselves that also believes that no one gives a crap about Palestine.