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Conflict in the Middle East

Please someone make it stop now

300 replies

Bellahadthese · 03/05/2025 18:37

It's heartbreaking
The gaunt, haunted images of children who are being starved to death, the amputees, the orphans, the women who used ivf to have a child that was blown to bits, the 40 newborns left to starve to death in neonatal ward
The hospitals bombed
Charity kitchens and bakeries bombed
Aid workers bombed
Tents bombs
Schools bombed
No universities left
Nothing left
I don't want to hear ooh but Israel has a right to exist
NO state that behaves like this has a right to exist
How can anyone justify Israel's stance?
This didn't start on Oct 7
This isn't about hostages
This is about human rights and why you think it's okay for Palestinians not to have any
I was a kid when Band Aid came about and remember how we raised money for Ethiopia
The fact that this is a man-made famine is abhorrent
I know there are good people in Israel- none in government sadly- but the West has blood on its hands for allowing this slaughter
Be honest you don't think that Palestinians are human do you that's why you don't care
I will never believe the western lie of democracy or human rights or freedom of speech again
It's all a big fat lie

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:20

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 06/05/2025 22:18

Oh look, an article from 2014 making reference to Israel's actions in Gaza. The genocide didn't bloody well start because of 7.10:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28916761

Edited

Yep, Hamas have caused many wars in Gaza with their rockets and violence. Why do they keep doing the same thing and expect different results?

GoldenStrawberry · 06/05/2025 22:20

@Bellahadthese get over yourself and stop being a useful idiot for Khamenei.

Also, go and learn some bloody history because you don’t know a thing.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:21

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 06/05/2025 22:18

Oh look, an article from 2014 making reference to Israel's actions in Gaza. The genocide didn't bloody well start because of 7.10:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28916761

Edited

There was also a ceasefire in place until Hamas broke it on 7/10. Why did Hamas want to destroy the peace that was in place when there's already been war?

Vivi0 · 06/05/2025 22:22

HelenHen · 06/05/2025 21:54

You know as well as all of us that hamas have been prepared for a truce but Israel don't want that. It will prevent them from getting everything they want.

Hamas have no power. It is Israel who hold all the cards and who need to stop.

I'm talking to randoms on mumsnet, and thats who im asking! I do not have an open chat with hamas!

A truce; but not peace. Never peace.

Hamas have no power

They may not be as powerful, but that doesn’t mean that they have no power. What makes you think Hamas have no agency in any of this?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:22

ssd · 06/05/2025 22:20

Why?

Because the hostages will be home and the terrorist organisation that committed a massacre in Israel and promised to do many more will be gone. Obviously.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 06/05/2025 22:25

Nothing that israel do is wrong eh? So much hate and ignorance. At least I don't cheer on the deaths of innocent civilians, make out that it's justified. Nothing justifies this criminal overreaction.
I'm not debating with such hatred.

Moulook31 · 06/05/2025 22:26

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:12

Those are refugees from previous wars when Arab countries attacked Israel and lost every time, much like now

This war started because of 7/10

No. These are refugees from when the people were forced to leave their homes in Palestine. The only item they could take was the keys to their old Palestinian home and what happened to their old homes? They were forced to leave their country. Again this is an old battle that did not start on 7/10 alone.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:26

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 06/05/2025 22:25

Nothing that israel do is wrong eh? So much hate and ignorance. At least I don't cheer on the deaths of innocent civilians, make out that it's justified. Nothing justifies this criminal overreaction.
I'm not debating with such hatred.

Nothing that Hamas does is wrong eh?

ssd · 06/05/2025 22:29

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:22

Because the hostages will be home and the terrorist organisation that committed a massacre in Israel and promised to do many more will be gone. Obviously.

Hamas will never be gone. You really think those millions of displaced Palestinians will just shuffled away quietly??? God knows what this will unleash in years to come and we will be in the firing line too as our government are complacent in it all.

But apart from that, thinking hamas surrendering will stop Netanyahu wanting to seize Gaza and displace the population is at best niave.

hellohellooo · 06/05/2025 22:29

mids2019 · 04/05/2025 07:35

Hamas mesmerising peace deals it is such a shame

Not needed

Maybe do some research

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:30

Moulook31 · 06/05/2025 22:26

No. These are refugees from when the people were forced to leave their homes in Palestine. The only item they could take was the keys to their old Palestinian home and what happened to their old homes? They were forced to leave their country. Again this is an old battle that did not start on 7/10 alone.

Oh you mean the refugees from the war in 1948 that Israel didn't start?

If you really want to travel back in time then we could look at all the massacres Arabs carried out on Jewish villages dating back to at least the 1500s, or maybe we could look at the hundreds of years that non-muslims were forced to live in dhimmitude, subservience and slavery to Muslims in that area

But that all deflects from the fact that thousands of people that would still be alive and uninjured today if not for what Hamas did on 7/10

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:31

ssd · 06/05/2025 22:29

Hamas will never be gone. You really think those millions of displaced Palestinians will just shuffled away quietly??? God knows what this will unleash in years to come and we will be in the firing line too as our government are complacent in it all.

But apart from that, thinking hamas surrendering will stop Netanyahu wanting to seize Gaza and displace the population is at best niave.

Depends if they choose life or endless war then doesn't it

Moulook31 · 06/05/2025 22:37

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:30

Oh you mean the refugees from the war in 1948 that Israel didn't start?

If you really want to travel back in time then we could look at all the massacres Arabs carried out on Jewish villages dating back to at least the 1500s, or maybe we could look at the hundreds of years that non-muslims were forced to live in dhimmitude, subservience and slavery to Muslims in that area

But that all deflects from the fact that thousands of people that would still be alive and uninjured today if not for what Hamas did on 7/10

Yes exactly the year 1948. But again what happened to the Palestinian homes/lands that the owners still have keys? No doubt Trump will be happy to include it in his real estate portfolio soon.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 22:41

Moulook31 · 06/05/2025 22:37

Yes exactly the year 1948. But again what happened to the Palestinian homes/lands that the owners still have keys? No doubt Trump will be happy to include it in his real estate portfolio soon.

Maybe the moral of the story is don't start wars

Vivi0 · 06/05/2025 22:44

ssd · 06/05/2025 22:29

Hamas will never be gone. You really think those millions of displaced Palestinians will just shuffled away quietly??? God knows what this will unleash in years to come and we will be in the firing line too as our government are complacent in it all.

But apart from that, thinking hamas surrendering will stop Netanyahu wanting to seize Gaza and displace the population is at best niave.

God knows what this will unleash in years to come and we will be in the firing line too as our government are complacent in it all.

What do you mean by that, exactly?

BelleHathor · 06/05/2025 23:00

Journalist Elijah Magnier just reported;

"Following former US President Donald Trump’s announcement of a breakthrough deal with the Yemeni group to end all attacks on American assets, the Pentagon has reportedly ordered all military operations and personnel targeting Yemen to stand down. This decision represents a major setback for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—already facing an ICC arrest warrant for war crimes—who has long sought to entangle the United States in a broader war against Yemen, and potentially Iran.

What makes the move even more striking is that Israel was deliberately excluded from the negotiations and left in the dark about the agreement. The terms, as reported, include an end to Yemeni attacks on US military and commercial vessels—but crucially, do not extend any such protection to Israeli ships or cargo moving through the Red Sea. Yemen’s position is clear: its truce is with Washington, not Tel Aviv unless the humanitarian siege - considered a war crime and crime against humanity - on Gaza is lifted.

For Israel, this diplomatic bypass is more than just a snub—it underscores its growing isolation and its failure to co-opt the US into expanding regional conflicts under the pretext of collective security."

Interesting move by Trump after "soft" firing (by moving him to the UN) his former National Security Advisor Mike Waltz. A Washington Post article leaked that Waltz a loud advocate for War with Iran was working with Netanyahu behind Trump’s back:

"....It got back to Trump and the president wasn’t happy with it,” the person continued.

“If Jim Baker was doing a side deal with the Saudis to subvert George H.W. Bush, you’d be fired,” the report added, quoting a senior advisor to Trump who was referring to the former secretary of state and White House chief of staff.

“You can’t do that. You work for the president of your country, not a president of another country,” the advisor said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/waltzs-coordination-with-netanyahu-on-iran-strike-contributed-to-firing-report/

Cheeryangel · 06/05/2025 23:08

OppsUpsSide · 04/05/2025 23:38

7/10 started this war, it was an attack on civilian men, women and children. I would hope, if that happened where I live, my government would respond.
I don’t have an opposition to Jews having a homeland so that may be a sticking point for you.
I am very suspicious of Hamas propaganda, because propaganda is so easily understood as a mechanism of war, what they are doing is not new but the mechanism is and the way it can reach a ripe audience is.
I find myself unable to side with a cause that kills and rapes civilians including young children, whatever the cause. This is not specific to Hamas and Israel, I lived through the Troubles and had regular bomb drills etc during my childhood and school years.
I will admit, I will, when the chips are down, side with Jews over Muslims due to religious and cultural ideals. And that impacts my views.
Despite this, I have had many Islamic friends, i know that Islam has many different ideological strands, it is specifically politicised Islam that I am against. I don’t think it is a core part of their religion ideologically but socially right now, and for decades, it has been. I do not support Islamists. I do not believe that Islamist ideals are the true reflection of Muslims in any area. I am given to understand (through SM so up for debate) that some Palestinians have protested against Hamas. I hope this is true but am wary given the history of that area and how content is manufactured But equally the Muslims that I have known are not represented by the terrorists shown in Hamas propaganda or the protestors on the streets of the UK.
Either way, according to some my rational is racist. So be it.

What about the Palestinian Christian community that has been intentionally wiped out? No mention of them ?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 23:09

BelleHathor · 06/05/2025 23:00

Journalist Elijah Magnier just reported;

"Following former US President Donald Trump’s announcement of a breakthrough deal with the Yemeni group to end all attacks on American assets, the Pentagon has reportedly ordered all military operations and personnel targeting Yemen to stand down. This decision represents a major setback for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—already facing an ICC arrest warrant for war crimes—who has long sought to entangle the United States in a broader war against Yemen, and potentially Iran.

What makes the move even more striking is that Israel was deliberately excluded from the negotiations and left in the dark about the agreement. The terms, as reported, include an end to Yemeni attacks on US military and commercial vessels—but crucially, do not extend any such protection to Israeli ships or cargo moving through the Red Sea. Yemen’s position is clear: its truce is with Washington, not Tel Aviv unless the humanitarian siege - considered a war crime and crime against humanity - on Gaza is lifted.

For Israel, this diplomatic bypass is more than just a snub—it underscores its growing isolation and its failure to co-opt the US into expanding regional conflicts under the pretext of collective security."

Interesting move by Trump after "soft" firing (by moving him to the UN) his former National Security Advisor Mike Waltz. A Washington Post article leaked that Waltz a loud advocate for War with Iran was working with Netanyahu behind Trump’s back:

"....It got back to Trump and the president wasn’t happy with it,” the person continued.

“If Jim Baker was doing a side deal with the Saudis to subvert George H.W. Bush, you’d be fired,” the report added, quoting a senior advisor to Trump who was referring to the former secretary of state and White House chief of staff.

“You can’t do that. You work for the president of your country, not a president of another country,” the advisor said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/waltzs-coordination-with-netanyahu-on-iran-strike-contributed-to-firing-report/

This Elijah Magnier? Doesn't seem a very independent or balanced 'journalist' to me

Please someone make it stop now
BelleHathor · 06/05/2025 23:24

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 23:09

This Elijah Magnier? Doesn't seem a very independent or balanced 'journalist' to me

Bias is subjective, however Elijah lived and reported on the region for decades.

Here is a BBC article on Trump’s "spin"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y5yd08wy7o

Perhaps the random explosions in Iran ocwr the past week, likely aimed at derailing the Nuclear talks between America amd Iran had the opposite effect.

Houthi militiaman rides in front of sculpture of missiles

Trump says US to stop attacking Houthis in Yemen as group has 'capitulated'

Oman's foreign minister says a "ceasefire" between the US and the Iran-backed group has been reached.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y5yd08wy7o

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/05/2025 23:29

BelleHathor · 06/05/2025 23:24

Bias is subjective, however Elijah lived and reported on the region for decades.

Here is a BBC article on Trump’s "spin"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y5yd08wy7o

Perhaps the random explosions in Iran ocwr the past week, likely aimed at derailing the Nuclear talks between America amd Iran had the opposite effect.

It doesn't matter how long someone reports on things, if they're not independent they're not a reliable source

PollyPaintsFlowers · 07/05/2025 07:17

Doesn't look like it's derailed the Iran talks. Trump is still against Iran having nukes

'Trump on Iran:

“This is really crunch time. I would tell you for Iran and, for their country, this is a very important time for Iran. This is the most important time in the history of Iran for Iran, and I hope they do what's right. I'd love to see a peace deal, a strong peace, so they cannot have a nuclear weapon. But I would say that this is the single most important period in the history of Iran, which is a long history, and we want it to be a great country.

Let it be a tremendously successful rich country. They have everything you need. The people are incredible. They have vast amounts of oil and assets. We want it to be a successful country.

We don't wanna do anything that's gonna get in the way of that, but they can't have a nuclear weapon. And if they choose to go a different route, it's gonna be a very sad thing. And and it's something we don't wanna have to do, but we have no choice. They're not gonna have a nuclear weapon. They're not gonna have a nuclear weapon.”'

dairydebris · 07/05/2025 07:19

PollyPaintsFlowers · 07/05/2025 07:17

Doesn't look like it's derailed the Iran talks. Trump is still against Iran having nukes

'Trump on Iran:

“This is really crunch time. I would tell you for Iran and, for their country, this is a very important time for Iran. This is the most important time in the history of Iran for Iran, and I hope they do what's right. I'd love to see a peace deal, a strong peace, so they cannot have a nuclear weapon. But I would say that this is the single most important period in the history of Iran, which is a long history, and we want it to be a great country.

Let it be a tremendously successful rich country. They have everything you need. The people are incredible. They have vast amounts of oil and assets. We want it to be a successful country.

We don't wanna do anything that's gonna get in the way of that, but they can't have a nuclear weapon. And if they choose to go a different route, it's gonna be a very sad thing. And and it's something we don't wanna have to do, but we have no choice. They're not gonna have a nuclear weapon. They're not gonna have a nuclear weapon.”'

Why have 3 sentences when you can have 12? 🙄

PollyPaintsFlowers · 07/05/2025 07:49

dairydebris · 07/05/2025 07:19

Why have 3 sentences when you can have 12? 🙄

I know 🫣😂

quantumbutterfly · 07/05/2025 07:53

dairydebris · 07/05/2025 07:19

Why have 3 sentences when you can have 12? 🙄

Hypnotic suggestion😁 have a listen to a hypnotist some time....then imagine Donald's dulcet tones lulling you to sleep😶......shudder.

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