Please someone make it stop now

[Bellahadthese]

It's heartbreaking
The gaunt, haunted images of children who are being starved to death, the amputees, the orphans, the women who used ivf to have a child that was blown to bits, the 40 newborns left to starve to death in neonatal ward
The hospitals bombed
Charity kitchens and bakeries bombed
Aid workers bombed
Tents bombs
Schools bombed
No universities left
Nothing left
I don't want to hear ooh but Israel has a right to exist
NO state that behaves like this has a right to exist
How can anyone justify Israel's stance?
This didn't start on Oct 7
This isn't about hostages
This is about human rights and why you think it's okay for Palestinians not to have any
I was a kid when Band Aid came about and remember how we raised money for Ethiopia
The fact that this is a man-made famine is abhorrent
I know there are good people in Israel- none in government sadly- but the West has blood on its hands for allowing this slaughter
Be honest you don't think that Palestinians are human do you that's why you don't care
I will never believe the western lie of democracy or human rights or freedom of speech again
It's all a big fat lie

You're not?

Really? How many have been killed then?

Why are you being so aggressive?

I think you should tone it down a little if you want people to engage with you.

I'm not being aggressive, I'm just wondering. Why would you think I'm being aggressive? 😵‍💫

I've read the number was 50k Hamas militants killed, you said that's incorrect. You've obviously got better information than me so I was just asking. So what are the figures?

It's very confrontational. I didn't say I knew the number of how many have been killed. The previous poster asked if the IDF have proven where they get their number from and I replied that they had not. I'm not sure why you would think that implies that I would know how many have been.

No I did not say that. If you are one of those posters who just look for arguments then I'm not going to engage with you further.

How do you know where I got the information from. Don't you think it was confrontational to try and speak for me?

Can i ask where you did get that figure from?

It was the first i heard it.

50k Hamas militants killed now?

Or half that?

The bottom line is that we have 2 groups of people who both want to survive, and who both deserve to survive. They both call that land home. The only resolution is a 2 state solution. To continue to insist of displacing millions of people is to support a war crime.

This is true but both sides are committed to the removal of the other. A two state solution can only lead to more of the same prior to 7/10, which was precarious at best, with frequent incursions, attacks and repercussions on both sides.

I have never seen this number cited before too.

I have just gone back to read and you didn't even say 50k? Did you mean 50k or a different number?

Some shreds of hope about this new plan.

This article points out that only 35% of Israelis think that the government is acting for reasons of security.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/06/seize-gaza-uninhabitable-netanyahu-plan

Also - some hope that the EU will start to put some proper tangible pressure on Israel. Too little, too late, if it even happens but at least something

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/israel-gaza-netherlands-hamas-xavier-bettel-b2746640.html

Interesting article by the Guardian- thanks for posting.

Like rats from a sinking ship.

I’ve been in this House twenty years – I have supported Israel pretty much at all costs, quite frankly.
“But today, I want to say that I got it wrong and I condemn Israel for what it is doing to the Palestinian people in Gaza and indeed in the West Bank, and I’d like to withdraw my support right now for the actions of Israel, what they are doing right now in Gaza…

https://www.politics.co.uk/parliament/i-got-it-wrong-conservative-mp-withdraws-support-for-israel-over-war-in-gaza/

Months and months of being told we were anti Israel, being told 'we all know why' people object to what Israel are doing, when all along we just listened to what Israel were telling us. They want the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and won't stop until they get it. I'm sickened that it's taken things getting to this point before people would admit that they can see it too.

I saw that earlier. I'm not quite sure why he found it tolerable until this point. What tipped him over the edge I wonder? I do feel like the tide is changing slightly... but it definitely feels like far too little too late.

The deliberate cruel starvation after enforcing a siege on the whole of Gaza, may have been the tipping point.

Israel have lost alot of support with their recent actions.

Kakeandkake. In the first month or so after 7/10 support for Israel was probably the strongest I’ve ever known. As the reports of Israel’s response increased, support was very quickly lost.

As a British Jew I feel judged as complicit with Israel’s response, just by happening to be Jewish. I wish I could stop what’s happening but of course I am powerless. To look at me and my family you’d not tell us apart from many Palestinians. Jews and Arabs will never be allowed to live next to one another as neighbours by the Israeli Government’s and Hamas’s intractable desire to obliterate the other.

I’m in my 60s and antisemitism in my community is as fierce and as blatant now as it was in my late parents’ youth. Today especially, I am so grateful for my DF and all the others who fought and gave their lives to quash the Nazi regime. Nothing has been learned though, nothing has changed, never again is always again and again, and it’s terrible and horrific.

I have Israeli friends spending their lives running to shelters. Their toddlers not even phased with being taken from their beds in the night. It’s all they’ve known. I’ve watched videos of salvos of missiles coming down over one friend’s village east of Tel Aviv. Hamas members were discovered in an apartment block a few months back. Even with friends ‘on the ground ‘ though. it’s impossible to get a true picture of deaths and injuries of civilians. So much is distorted and hidden. No innocent person should be killed, injured, starved. No idealogy should enable this. But here we are.

No innocent person should be killed, injured, starved.

@ferretedaway I couldn't agree more with you here. I'm also very sorry to hear what you have been facing as a Jewish person in the UK which is not acceptable.

I'm sorry that you are going through that. There is no place for antisemitism anywhere. Thank you for sharing and I hope your friends stay safe.

I certainly don’t judge Jews in general for what’s happening. And it is awful for you, someone in Britain who has zero influence on the actions of the isreali government, would look be experiencing hate because of it.

I don’t even blame the average Israeli citizen. I really believe no matter who we are or where we are from, that most people just want to live in safe communities where we can provide for our loved ones. It’s a want that unites everyone, part of our shared humanity.

Israel, Hamas and complicit Gazabs have been the biggest contributors to the deaths of children in regards to this battle that Hamas and complicit Gazans started in what many would class as a war going back to 1947 , but which others would say far further as pertaining to Levantine Jew hatred and Arab pogroms against them in the area.

It's important to provide fuller context .

In fifty years time this battle will be remembered by few or many as yet another where Palestinians foughr for their right to nationhood/ Israeli extinction or Israel fighting for her right to exist in the modern era as she did before Palestine.
It depends which side people have sympathy for.

And so not to be seen as a coward, I feel no way in stating that no way should Hamas lead Gazans be allowed to win this particular battle.
It would only serve to put a stronger battery into the backs of geopolitical elements that are far more unhinged and anti humanity than anything the US and Israel could be accused of cooking up between them.
I'm just not about that Islamist/ Russian/Chinese anti individualist , damn near anti everything life.
I'd rather the Devil that I can at least manoeuvre a happy life out of.

That would be good , old fashioned Western European Judeo/Christian influenced societies with maybe a little Buddha on the side.