Please someone make it stop now

[Bellahadthese]

It's heartbreaking
The gaunt, haunted images of children who are being starved to death, the amputees, the orphans, the women who used ivf to have a child that was blown to bits, the 40 newborns left to starve to death in neonatal ward
The hospitals bombed
Charity kitchens and bakeries bombed
Aid workers bombed
Tents bombs
Schools bombed
No universities left
Nothing left
I don't want to hear ooh but Israel has a right to exist
NO state that behaves like this has a right to exist
How can anyone justify Israel's stance?
This didn't start on Oct 7
This isn't about hostages
This is about human rights and why you think it's okay for Palestinians not to have any
I was a kid when Band Aid came about and remember how we raised money for Ethiopia
The fact that this is a man-made famine is abhorrent
I know there are good people in Israel- none in government sadly- but the West has blood on its hands for allowing this slaughter
Be honest you don't think that Palestinians are human do you that's why you don't care
I will never believe the western lie of democracy or human rights or freedom of speech again
It's all a big fat lie

Sorry that didn’t make sense.

should have read:

Actually, @dairydebris ,it’s pretty offensive to assume that anyone who can see that what the Israeli government, led by someone who would probably be in prison were he not in a protected position, is doing is evil would be a supporter of a terrorist organisation.

FWIW, I also think it’s horrendous that Jewish people around the world, many of whom are horrified by the actions of the government of Israel, are being tarred with the brush of the settlers and other extremists when all they want to do is bring up their families in peace. The increase of attacks on Jewish people is dreadful.

I'm not even sure the US can stop it now, Israel has set its heart (if it had one) on destroying Hamas and by extension all of the people in Gaza, because so long as there are Palestinians, there will be a Hamas.

Even if the hostages were released, it wont stop the IDF bombing, the reasoning will be "We can't risk another Hamas attack"

Can you point me to this evidence? As far as I understood, there's been a number of publications that have pointed to the lack of evidence including the Times of Israel:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-2-debunked-accounts-from-zaka-workers-fueled-global-skepticism-of-oct-7-rape/

I would be interested to see where the evidence is available?

Evil is as evil does.

Far right Israeli minister says 'Gaza will be entirely destroyed'
The far-right Israeli finance minister Bezalel Smotrich has been speaking at a conference in the occupied West Bank settlement of Ofra.

“Gaza will be entirely destroyed, civilians will be sent to... the south to a humanitarian zone without Hamas or terrorism, and from there they will start to leave in great numbers to third countries,” he said.

Smotrich, who has recently said that Israel will not withdraw from Gaza even if there is another hostage deal, expressed his hope that the territory would be formally annexed during the current government’s term, which could last until late next year.

Annexation and the acquisition of territory by military conquest is forbidden as one of the founding principles of international law including the UN charter

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/06/israel-gaza-war-latest-live-news-benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-palestine

lack of evidence for what? Or did you not read the article you linked to?

for instance....The United Nations and other organizations have presented credible evidence that Hamas terrorists committed sexual assault during their rampage. The prosecutor for the International Criminal Court, Karim Khan, said Monday he had reason to believe that three key Hamas leaders bore responsibility for “rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity.”
Though the number of assaults is unclear, photo and video from the attack’s aftermath have shown bodies with legs splayed, clothes torn, and blood near their genitals.

Is that grim enough for you, read further if it's not. Or stay in denial, that's your choice of course.

Ffs. What evidence more do you require? Who sees pictures of women with blood around their genitals and says they need more evidence? Would you require to be in the actual room?

Shame on you.

This is from the UN report and an article posted on aljazeera.com

Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualised torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered,” read the 24-page UN report.

“The mission team found clear and convincing information that some hostages taken to Gaza have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing,” the report also said.

Sorry, should have made it clear i was responding to posters with claims about nails into genitalia and sexual assaults on children and beheading of babies etc.

The rape of women is horrific enough without adding unfounded and unevidenced claims that were later refuted.

I guess seeing the sustained torture and starvation of civilians, tens of thousands of children killed, maimed, and all with clear evidence is the thing that I keep coming back to.

I side with the children, not the people bombing the starving the children.

If, in your world, you can justify the bombing and starving of children then that says to me you have lost all humanity. Because then you could justify anything against anyone. It means you can find a reason to justify killing my family. You re no longer human.

'no longer human'

If you have decided that the only credible evidence fits your worldview then I say again that's your choice. I will not de-humanise you, there's been enough of that.

Back to the original message, I can't believe the slaughter of Palestinians continues and that people are still trying to justify it in these forums. It is beyond disgusting how far Israel have gone in the name of revenge and how far Israel is willing to go. How can you see an executed Palestinian child and try to justify it or ignore it or say "but...". There is no "but" when it comes to dead children

I haven't seen a single person justify or ignore a dead child. It's mumsnet.

But the world simply isn't that black and white.

I'm not using this as an anology, just addressing your main point- was it justified for German children to be killed in the Allied attacka on Nazi Germany? Was it justified for children to be killed by the nuclear bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Very hard questions. Not simple answers.

That's why war should be avoided at almost all costs.

People who tore down posters of the Bibas boys were recorded saying but what about the palestinians so I guess they might disagree with you.
It's a bit of a concern isn't it?

This thread is about begging somebody to make the slaughter stop. And here you are going on about deaths in WWII? Wth? There are deaths happening NOW and they need to stop NOW!

I would say no, no, and no to your questions.

Killing of civilians especially children is heinous. I don't quite get this reality we're in where this is up for debate?

This thread isn't about the Bibas boys. Do you not think the slaughter should stop NOW? Why do you think it's acceptable to deflect whilst more innocent Palestinians are being slaughtered?

It's not at all. Don't get dragged into the debate. There is no debate. The only reason anyone would debate genocide is to deflect and buy time. The slaughter needs to end now!

Was that a 'but'. But this isn't about Israeli children? Don't they count too as casualties of this war?

You're right. We need to keep our eyes open and on the horror.

Not debating! The Palestinian children continue to be killed in their tens of thousands. They deserve to not be slaughtered. They deserve to not be starved to death. They deserve to not be executed or beheaded or watch their family die or their homes destroyed... would you not agree?

In fact, I would say this of ALL children. Wouldn't you?

Fgs. Yes. I agree. I want them to stop now. That's why Hamas should give up and surrender etc right now.

There is nothing to surrender.

Hamas offered up the hostages and netanyahu reneged on the deal. There is no deal to be made with that man. Israel have already said what their end game will be and it is chilling.

Because the IRA hadn't vowed to continue raping and massacring British people until Britain was destroyed and every last Brit driven out

Jesus wept, as if the two situations are remotely similar 😂

Jews are the chosen people as their bible says they've been chosen to follow the word of God. It's nothing to do with them thinking they're better than others. Antisemites always take it out of context though and use it against them. Seems like you've fallen for it too, whether accidentally or deliberately readers of this thread can make up their own minds

IDF blowing up a house with a family in it to do a gender reveal
I mean, there are no depths of depravity

Um, it's a mothers forum and a lot of women who are mothers seem to be okay with this genocide targeting children. What kind of mothers support genocide?