Please someone make it stop now

[Bellahadthese]

It's heartbreaking
The gaunt, haunted images of children who are being starved to death, the amputees, the orphans, the women who used ivf to have a child that was blown to bits, the 40 newborns left to starve to death in neonatal ward
The hospitals bombed
Charity kitchens and bakeries bombed
Aid workers bombed
Tents bombs
Schools bombed
No universities left
Nothing left
I don't want to hear ooh but Israel has a right to exist
NO state that behaves like this has a right to exist
How can anyone justify Israel's stance?
This didn't start on Oct 7
This isn't about hostages
This is about human rights and why you think it's okay for Palestinians not to have any
I was a kid when Band Aid came about and remember how we raised money for Ethiopia
The fact that this is a man-made famine is abhorrent
I know there are good people in Israel- none in government sadly- but the West has blood on its hands for allowing this slaughter
Be honest you don't think that Palestinians are human do you that's why you don't care
I will never believe the western lie of democracy or human rights or freedom of speech again
It's all a big fat lie

OK last one.
Because there's psychopaths and bad people amongst all races on earth. Because war desensitizes us to extreme violence. Because there's so very much hatred between the 2 groups.

I hope all those committing war crimes are bought to justice.

I hope this war ends soon. And I hope this war ends with Hamas gone forever because they are the worst thing that ever happened to Gaza.

I hope Netanyahu goes next year too, as his extremist policies and sympathies are abhorrent and detrimental to Israel in the long run.

Gn.

@Bellahadthese ‘It's been disproved over and over about the Hamas rapes’
this is sick
there are eyewitness accounts of terrible rapes and mutilation. It’s very well known. You aren’t convincing anyone.
what on earth do you mean ‘been disproved’? What the absolute fuck is wrong with you? You complete disgrace, you sick, sick individual.

Fair enough, good answer

We all just want an end to this, it's so very awful.

Why don't Hamas release the hostages?
It isn't stopping the bombing and, while hostages are held, the Israeli leaders can say they're doing it to push for hostage release.

Hamas have vowed to repeat 7/10 till they’ve eliminated the Jews. The Jews will do whatever it takes to wipe out every Hamas member wherever they happen to be, no matter what the civilian collateral horror happens to be . None of us know where, if, how embedded Hamas members are within civilian areas and buildings. We literally have no idea. They could be everywhere, or nowhere. I no longer trust any news outlet to be able to accurately assess what is really going on in terms of actual threat . All we can see is the horrific consequences on civilians and all we do know for sure is that the next generation of vengeful, traumatised and indoctrinated civilians on both sides has already been created. And so it will go on. It’s beyond bleak and tragic.

Well I did report the atrocity denier, but now I read what @User37482 said about letting it stand so that everyone can see exactly how rape as a weapon is dismissed when it’s “our side” doing it. It’s a very good point. But then I think what OP is hoping for is that her sweeping, contemptuous statement that rape has been ‘disproven’ (I mean how?!) will convince some casual readers…

The rapes on 7/10 don’t justify the genocide of an entire population

Not a genocide.

But 7/10 was part of hamas genocidal intent towards Israel and the Jewish people.

The difference is the element of intent.

So the final solution for Gaza has been revealed
This is a crime against humanity
You can all argue about Hamas and how awful they are but the reality is that ordinary men women children babies the elderly the disabled are being butchered and driven from their land
This is pure ethnic cleansing
It is collective punishment
It is against international law
If you support that, YOU are the criminal
I don't know at what point world leaders are going to wake up but history will judge
As for the nonsense that Hamas can end it now you are delusional
It doesn't matter what Hamas does or doesn't do
It doesn't have an army or weapons or food
The Israelis have decided they want the land
End of

Morning.
No I don't think they are doing it the kind way. I think the law of diminishing returns applies. I also think that I don't know where the genuine wish to do what is right for Israel and the need to save his own skin stops abd starts with Netanyahu at the moment. If I was in charge I'd stop the bombing long enough to get the hostages back at the very least. In fact I think I'd stop the bombing entirely as for every 1 Hamasnik that gets killed, another 2 will arise in their place. But I'm not a military planner. And Israel is a sovereign nation with a huge history of persecution, I fully support their right to make war on an enemy who has promised to commit 7/10 again and again. It's not up to me. Their reasons for continuing are powerful.

I think they don't use nuclear weapons because they know they'd lose all the international goodwill they have left. It's a huge red line. And the fallout would affect those Israelis living close to the border.

I think Palestinian lives are worth very little to both Israel and Hamas. But it's Hamas that bears first responsibility for its own people. Which is why they should just surrender. Think how many lives would be saved.

@dairydebris

Personally I've never been in charge of planning a war in a very densely populated area, against an enemy that doesn't wear uniforms, that hides amongst civilians, and who gives not one shiny shit how many people die. Have you? So no, I wouldn't presume to tell the IDF how to go about making their war. Perhaps if you do have this knowledge you could share it widely and many lives could be saved?

Maybe the IDF could study other what other states have done in very similar circumstances - such as the British Army response to the IRA attacks on the mainland in the 1970's and 80's. No carpet bombing. No starvation. No indiscriminate targeting of civilians. If the British could do that 40 years ago why can't the IDF?

Neither of us are military planners.
I'd suggest Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan as similar wars, with soldiers amongst civilians. Conflicts not known for their low civilian casualty rate.
Honestly I think it's beyond ridiculous that you or I begin to question military strategy.
You think you can do war better than IDF commanders? Just silly.

6000 Gazans (3800 hamas) invaded Israel through 119 border breaches, 1000 stayed in Gaza to lob about 5000 rockets on 7/10.

Hamas organises into brigades and trains regularly from a young age.

How do you define an army?

Actually no. I am very surprised that a Muslim would say that to be honest as they wouldn’t even use the word convert. In Islamic terms we are all born Muslim, no such thing as a chosen people, and as people of the book Muslims are supposed to respect Jews and they know that their God is the same God. Very odd to be honest.
I don’t know of any other religion that considers their followers to be the chosen people. But most religions don’t consider themselves a race also, which as the tribes of Abraham Jews do (which was used badly against them by the Third Reich) I assume that is how they argue they are the chosen people.

As Trump himself pointed out, they're starving people now — and I want to ask: what do these fools think Hamas is doing with all the food they claim it's stealing? Opening cafés in Cairo? Why would Hamas even need to steal food when the entire population is being denied it? This is collective, inhuman punishment — explicitly forbidden under international law. No one following this can claim ignorance anymore; what we can say is that they simply didn’t care.

@Enough4me Netyanhu has already said that he won’t stop until he fully eradicates and subjugates Hamas. So no it’s not going to stop once the innocent hostages have been exchanged etc. Many of the families of hostages believe that Netyanhu and the Israeli government are misleading the public and are deliberately prolonging the war. There have been incidents when the IDF has mistakenly shot their own hostages and many have lost their lives due to Israel’s inhumane and disproportionate measures.

https://archive.ph/XNjYm#selection-1691.0-1703.364

Netanyahu is destroying any unity that might exist in Israel on the altar of his own survival.

The government hopes this pressure will force Hamas to release the 59 remaining hostages, fewer than 24 of whom are believed alive. Yet IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir has sounded a discordant note, warning that escalation could endanger the very hostages he prioritises rescuing.

The operation hinges on a massive reservist call-up. But will they answer the call? Reservist morale is battered after 18 months of gruelling combat across multiple fronts. Reports indicate attendance rates plunged from around 150 per cent earlier in the war, to as low as about 70 per cent, with many reservists citing economic strain and disillusionment with the government’s Gaza strategy, or the lack of it.

Open letters from air force veterans, Mossad alumni, and elite Unit 8200 reservists have decried the war’s drift, accusing Netanyahu of prioritising political survival over the rescuing of hostages. Disobedience is a real risk, potentially undermining the IDF’s manpower needs, and delighting Israel’s enemies.

The question of who will rule Gaza post-Hamas looms large. Netanyahu’s far-right allies openly call for reoccupation and Jewish resettlement. Yet the IDF, in a major clash with the government, wants no part in long-term governance. The IDF has made it clear to Bibi, that it will not take part in the day-to-day running of Gaza, including the distribution of food.

Sorry, what’s not a genocide? What is happening in Palestine is genocide. There isn’t any point denying that it’s not.

Agreed. Using different pretexts to prolong the war seems to be Netyanhu’s modus operandi.

Since 7 October 2023, more than 45,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, according to Gaza’s health ministry, and over 1,700 Israeli and foreign nationals have been killed in attacks in or originated from Gaza, according to Israeli sources.

Israel has been occupying Palestinian Territory for decades even before the existence of Hamas so now it’s using Hamas and the unfortunate hostages to continue its barbaric actions. Netyanhu does not want a two-state solution. He does not want to end the war because he’s clearly becoming increasingly unpopular. The fact that Israel can unilaterally decide to occupy and invade and create more and more illegal settlements shows how very little sovereignty and independence Palestinians have.

What is happening is pure evil. It is worse than other wars. More cruel and relentless, less shame. Israel want them to suffer, then suffer more. Great shame on our government for giving Israel a penny, or lifting a finger to support them.

Why does that stop them releasing the hostages though?
They aren't keeping them as a benefit to the hostages, the hostage families or because it's stopping the bombing. So it's just for torture?

And in my opinion he doesn’t give a fuck about the hostages. He wants the whole country.