Please someone make it stop now

[Bellahadthese]

It's heartbreaking
The gaunt, haunted images of children who are being starved to death, the amputees, the orphans, the women who used ivf to have a child that was blown to bits, the 40 newborns left to starve to death in neonatal ward
The hospitals bombed
Charity kitchens and bakeries bombed
Aid workers bombed
Tents bombs
Schools bombed
No universities left
Nothing left
I don't want to hear ooh but Israel has a right to exist
NO state that behaves like this has a right to exist
How can anyone justify Israel's stance?
This didn't start on Oct 7
This isn't about hostages
This is about human rights and why you think it's okay for Palestinians not to have any
I was a kid when Band Aid came about and remember how we raised money for Ethiopia
The fact that this is a man-made famine is abhorrent
I know there are good people in Israel- none in government sadly- but the West has blood on its hands for allowing this slaughter
Be honest you don't think that Palestinians are human do you that's why you don't care
I will never believe the western lie of democracy or human rights or freedom of speech again
It's all a big fat lie

Agree, The IDF bombed the location where American hostage Edan Alexander was being held last month. There has been no contact with his captors since then with one of the captors recently found dead.

They also bombed another location where another hostage was being held resulting in it being covered in rubble and the hostage having to be dug out a couple of days ago.

Not to mention the restriction on food and medicine meaning the hostages suffer too.

Just factually incorrect.
Darfur. Sudan. Isis and the Yazidis. Millions starving in Yemen. HTS and the Alawaites and Druze. Rwanda.
Humans all over the world are capable of doing hideous things to each other.
The difference here is the media coverage.
If you truly think Israel is uniquely awful then you need to sit with why you think that.
War is hell.

I think even the hostages families know this isn't about the hostages anymore. That must be soul destroying for them.

The key difference is that we are close allies and provide weapons and intelligence to Israel, and therefore theoretically have some leverage, whereas the others are, for the most part, failed rogue states.

* Netyanhu has already said that he won’t stop until he fully eradicates and subjugates Hamas. So no it’s not going to stop once the innocent hostages have been exchanged etc*

And Hamas have vowed to repeat 7/10 until no Jews remain.

where does anyone go with that?

That's a different point.
The previous poster was saying this is worse than all other wars, more cruel and relentless, less shame. This is factually incorrect. It's a terrible war, of which there are many, always have been, always will be.
I was trying to get the poster to consider why they find Israel uniquely cruel, and why they think this is the worst war ever.

James O'Brien is covering it now on LBC.

This.

Agree. This is beyond retaliation. It's savagery on an unprecedented scale.

It's sickening.

It's not retaliation. You're trivialising it. On 7 October Hamas invaded Israel and killed women and children in their beds. They have promised to do it again and again. They have refused to surrender. Do you think Israel should just allow Hamas to stick around to do it again?
It's savagery on an awful, heartbreaking scale, I totally agree. It's sickening to watch, I agree. It's not, however and awfully, unprecedented. It's war. War is unimaginably awfully, always. In different ways, but people always die horribly and utterly wastefully in war.
Hamas could end this war right now, save the Gazan lives that will be lost in the coming days and weeks, by surrendering, handing over power, and giving back the hostages.

The OP said- Someone make it stop. Hamas can make it stop.

Holding Palestinian children responsible for Hamas is savagery. A genocide is savagery

Pakistani terrorists just killed 25 civilians in India. The latest in a long series of attacks. Should India bomb Pakistan l?Israel is not the only country to ne attacked over years.

Apologies, I can't follow either of your points. I agreed it's savagery. I want it to stop too. I don't see the relevance with India and Pakistan.
Shouldn't Hamas just surrender?

The analogy with Pakistan and India is clear, I think.

Terrorists invade the country next door and kill 25 innocent civilians. Should India retaliate by doing to Pakistan by doing what Israel has done to Gaza?

No, of course not.

The analogy is of very limited use.

It was a terrorist gunman attack, 4 men, not an invasion.
The terrorist group was previously unknown and not the government of Pakistan.
It was only 6 days ago. India may yet launch airstrikes against this group. After the previous attack that killed about 40 paramilitary Indians, India launched airstrikes against that groups training camp that it said killed many fighters.

I really don't think it's the same situation.

And I do think that if thousands of Pakistani military and civilians poured across the border in kashmir and started murdering Indians at a festival India would certainly start a war, yes. And it'd be an awful one.

Interestingly, an Indian pilot was shot down over Pakistan during a dogfight, and he was handed swiftly back to India. Hamas could learn a bit from that.

Are you another one who finds it hard to admit that Hamas should just surrender?

It’s not the same.

If Pakistani terrorists launched an attack on Indian civilians on the same scale as 7/10, then I think it’s incredibly likely that they would.

The UK, for example, is one major terrorist attack away from descending into absolute chaos. If an attack on the scale of the 7/10 were to happen in the UK, it would destabilise the country to the extent that the Goverment would have no option but to take action. Although, I don’t know what that would look like. I hope we never see something like 7/10 happen here.

Pakistani terrorists already have conducted several such attacks. One such was in 2008 at the Taj Hotel where women and children, including a Jewish family, were slaughtered.

I thinks Hamas is scum, but holding children responsible for them and levelling Gaza is genocide.

So should Hamas surrender and hand over power and stop all of it?

Not on the same scale as 7/10, they haven’t.

Israel has a population of 9 million. On 7/10, 1,195 people were killed, 240 taken hostage.

India has a population of 1.4 billion. An attack on the same scale would involve figures unimaginable.

There would no doubt be war.

holding children responsible

No one is holding children responsible. Children always have and always will be the biggest victims of war. This conflict is not an exception to that.

Hamas have done this to the Gazan people and they could end it today.

Yes, they should. But the Palestinian women and children are mostly powerless to make them.
Might as well hold Muslims responsible for ISIS.

There is no answer then to why hostages are still being held?

I am not a rape denier
But some of you just want to believe the very worst of the Palestinians while ignoring the heinous crimes that the Israelis army commits
And let's be real it is the Israelis who have all the power
They have the weapons the money the control the backing of the US
They kill with abandon and even when they kill foreign aid workers there are no real consequences
Israelis were rioting in the streets for the right to rape prisoners but oh its Hamas who are the rapists
Okay, yes, Hamas are evil incarnate they should give up all violence they can't win against Israel, and they need to stop everything and admit defeat
Give back the hostages, beg for forgiveness from Israel and Gazans
Do you think Israel will stop killing them?
Honestly?

There is no Hamas in the West Bank but little Palestinian kids get snipered there too
But hey who cares

You denied the Hamas rapes so you are a rape denier. Not worth arguing with you about anything.

Not at all. Hamas should surrender itself and release the hostages or their bodies. It ought never to have undertaken October’s abomination.

Israel should also stop punishing the children of Gaza for the actions of its government.

It’s perfectly possible to see both as evil.

Actually, @dairydebris, it’s pretty offensive to assume that anyone who can see that what the Israeli government, led by someone who would probably be in prison were he not in a protected position, would be a supporter of a terrorist organisation.