This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

We agree on the first point and I am aware you do not take the IDF as gospel or agree with everything they do.

However a professional army would have taken their target out in another place than a crowded cafe .Seeing the targeted operations they are capable of it is very conceivable that there was a double edged motivation to the attack.
Plus their track record with journalists also gives rise to the plausible speculation .

It's plausible that the IDF could have thought killing a few journalists would be no bad thing if they are sympathetic to Hamas as most of them seem to be.

But I think their main target would have been the son of a top Hamas commander as they have openly stated their goal to kill as many top Hamas people as possible.

And hypocritical not to speak up about the national outrage being caused by his own brethren.

Well the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas only condemned Hamas’s October 7 attack for the first time in June 2025.

“What Hamas did in October 2023 in killing and taking civilians hostage is unacceptable and condemnable and Hamas must immediately release all hostages,” Abbas wrote in a letter to French President Emmanuel Macron and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who this month will co-chair a UN conference aimed at advancing a two-state solution.

While Abbas has long rejected violence as a means for advancing Palestinian self-determination, he has refrained from specifically publicly condemning Hamas’s actions on October 7, with at least one of his aides arguing that he wouldn’t do so while Israel’s wide-scale offensive in Gaza was ongoing.

But Abbas is also looking to gain support from the international community so that the PA can replace Hamas as the governing authority in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-palestinian-authoritys-abbas-condemns-hamas-october-7-attack/

It's plausible that the IDF could have thought killing a few journalists would be no bad thing if they are sympathetic to Hamas as most of them seem to be.

So posting the truth ("sympathetic to Hamas") is now a death sentence .

Fucking IDF .

He’s living in the UK.
It is not hypocritical for the UK chief Rabbi to focus on the welfare of British Jews.
Your phrase “ his own brethren” is problematic. It suggests you see all Jews ( even those living in other countries) as responsible for what goes in in Israel .
Did you argue that British Imams should speak out and demand Hamas release the hostages? Why not?

He’s living in the UK.
It is not hypocritical for the UK chief Rabbi to focus on the welfare of British Jews
But that's not just what he did. He spoke of the vile jew hatred of Vylans chant about killing the IDF. That's a state military force currently committing war crimes. I have read many comments from Jewish people in the UK on this who are pretty unhappy that the IDF is being equated with Judaism. Absolutely agree with you if his focus was on the welfare of British jews but to me he seemed more concerned with the chant about the IDF.

Is it the truth to just repeat what Hamas says? Don’t you think Hamas lie too?

Vylan didn’t just chant “Death to the IDF “
He also talked about his disgust at having to work with Jewish music executives who he described as “fucking Zionists” so I understand why the chief Rabbi considered his comments to be “vile Jew hatred”

Yes fair enough I hadn't read that anywhere only the IDF chant

Although I should add that the IDF chant was also vile . I’ve not heard those chants being used about any other country’s army .
I’ve no doubt there are some serious bad people in the IDF ( and I hope they are punished) but it’s worth remembering that many are very young conscripts who would haven’t chosen to be in the army and aren’t the ones responsible for the conflict.

What exactly did he say about his former boss, I can't find it now but you seem to know? My remembering is that he said he had a boss who used to speak about Israel all of the time, he implied that his boss was racist and said if I could get through that then you can get through shit too or something like that?

You've heard it said about the patriarchy for instance though yeah and nobody thinks that means kill all men. Nobody is making that headline news because most people recognise that it can be said about taking down an organisation or a system. Like for instance the system of occupation and racial segregation that the young conscripts help to perpetuate.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/01/uk-chief-rabbi-ephraim-mirvis-bob-vylan-glastonbury-chant

It’s been widely reported.
Interesting how you can only remember it as an inspirational “anti racist “ speech .

Most commentators disagree with you.
I don’t recommend you use the chant on your next march unless you want to hear from the police.
www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jun/30/bbc-should-have-pulled-live-stream-bob-vylan-glastonbury-anti-idf-chants

Is that the wrong link? That doesn't say what he said about his former boss?

I didn't say his speech was a it racist either. I was saying what I remember him saying of his former boss.

“and spoke of working for a “fucking Zionist” during their show on the West Holts “

It’s not the wrong link - you have to actually read it .

They disagree that death to {an entity} is a phrase expressing strong disapproval or opposition, often used in a political or ideological context?

I can't believe people have never heard of death to the patriarchy before, you can even buy posters. I'm sure the police will be banging down the doors of people who buy them though, not sure why they are sold without a warning 😉

No I read it, it says nothing but that he said fucking zionist, I'm asking you what he said about the 'fucking zionist', that was clear from my original post.

You implied the UK chief rabbi is somehow affiliated with what his happening in Israel. You referred to the IDF as “ His own brethren “ and said he was hypocritical not to comment on their actions as HIS “National shame” ,
You don’t see the UK chief Rabbi as British - you see him only as a Jew.
Thats anti semitism

You obviously think it’s ok to refer to a Jewish boss as a “fucking Zionist”
Anti semitism again

Anti zionist beliefs are protected under the equality act so I don't think that calling someone who wedged Israel into conversation a lot and expressed zionist beliefs(as I remember him saying on stage, like I said I could be wrong and I can't find it now) a 'fucking zionist' is breaking the law in any way, shape or form.

For the record - I deplore what the IDF are doing in Gaza and what the settlers are doing in the West Bank .
I also deplore ignorant musicians using this conflict to boost publicity
And I deplore the thinly disguised anti semitism of some of the posters on here

I think he said what he said to make people talk and make people uncomfortable and it has. The whole situation is uncomfortable, governments sitting watching Israel starve civillians is uncomfortable, seeing children blown to pieces is uncomfortable, seeing governments deny war crimes we can see with our own eyes is uncomfortable.

I think you will have a hard time proving that using a well known phrase like Death to X is illegal unless you are planning on banning all of the posters etc that say death to the patriarchy too.

Calling his zionist boss(and if he did speak like I remember Bob Vylan saying then he clearly was a zionist) who obviously made him extremely uncomfortable a 'fucking zionist' isn't illegal. Context is important here, was his boss Jewish but not zionist? I don't know he didn't name his boss, didn't speak of his ethnicity, I don't even know which boss he was talking about.

LHe will have said these things knowing that he was risking his career and he decided it was worth it so clearly this topic means a lot to him.