This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

They targeted it because they had intelligence the son of a Hamas leader was there and they killed him.

Hasham Mansour was his name, the son of a former Hamas military commander already killed by the IDF ( reported in Israeli sources & the Telegraph).

No I didn’t see any genuine empathy when Israeli citizens got killed tbh.

This is somber reading. 130 charities have called for an end to the inhumane GHF system. They only operate under four sites; three in the south and one in central Gaza. Previously there used to be 400 sites throughout Gaza.

Since the new system started in May, more than 500 people have been killed and more than 4,000 injured.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5kk1w00xyo.amp

Tuesday's joint statement from some of the world's biggest charities says the foundation is violating all norms of humanitarian work, including by forcing two million people into overcrowded and militarized zones where they face daily gunfire.

"Today, Palestinians in Gaza face an impossible choice: starve or risk being shot while trying desperately to reach food to feed their families," the statement says.
"Orphaned children and caregivers are among the dead, with children harmed in over half of the attacks on civilians at these sites."

I did read the letter when it was published but I haven't seen any response to it.

Well I certainly expressed it and saw others too. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there. Not sure why you have an assumption that posters don't care for Israeli lives? You obviously have some preconceived ideas about people which is blurring your judgement

Maybe I have some preconceived ideas but no more than pro Palestinian people who have often expressed that pro Israel people lack empathy, lack compassion, lack humanity etc.

Most of us have equally said that we feel sorry for all innocent civilians caught up in the war including Palestinian civilians but assumptions seem to be made that these thoughts are not genuine.

It is possible that a Hamas member was there, I'm not disputing that possibility. However, I don't believe striking the cafe filled with families including young children to take out one Hamas member is justified. There was dozens of deaths and injuries.

I believe there has been backlash after the strike that killed so many innocent people that the IDF are now 'reviewing' it.

It was a massacre,” he tells AFP. “I saw bits of bodies flying everywhere, bodies mangled and burned. It was a bloodcurdling scene; everybody was screaming.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-reviewing-deadly-strike-on-seafront-gaza-internet-cafe/

I'm not going to post or link scenes of the aftermath, it was one of the most horrifying scenes i have seen in this terrible war.

Well that’s good to hear. At least the IDF can now investigate themselves and clear themselves of any wrongdoing 🙄

Are you completely lacking in empathy? Hamas carried out a heartbreaking and disgusting act of terror. That's not up for debate. Their actions were absolutely indefensible.

But Palestinian civilians, especially children, are not culpable for the actions of their corrupt government. How do you propose that normal people, let alone little children, go about freeing hostages?

If you are ok with Israel 'paying them back' by indiscriminately killing and starving powerless civilians, then there is something fundamentally wrong with you.

Would it be ok if thousands of innocent Israeli children were bombed to 'pay back' the Israeli government?

Neither do I.

Just sharing the information I read about why the IDF targeted it because it appears that some of the theories being discussed were wrong.

The chief rabbi has been commenting about our national shame. I don’t think that some of the remarks made at Glastonbury were all that bright, but this is what national shame looks like https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/01/gaza-israel-iran-war-idf?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Quite. Conveniently ignoring the ‘national shame’ in his own back yard.

They are unproven speculation by posters (including myself) not wrong. Just like posting what that IDF say is unproven speculation and not right or wrong.

Were the deaths of all those people worth getting one Hamas member (allegedly)?

Was that they only time that he could have been targeted or could they have picked a time when he wasn't surrounded by innocent civilians.

Did it need to be an airstrike knowing the amount that would be killed or could one of their snipers not taken him out.
Surely with the access to intelligence and arsenal they have they could do better than an airstrike im a crowded cafe to take out an individual.

Or was it a case of killing two birds with one stone. Journalists and Hamas member.

No the death of all those civilians were not worth killing one Hamas member for, in my opinion.

As you are aware since I have stated it many times, I don't agree with everything that the IDF does.

However, the explanation coming out of Israeli sources is a more rational reason for why they targeted that site. Your speculation makes them sound like cartoon villains wanting to hide their "evil plans" whereas the IDF is actually a professional army hunting down and killing Hamas members in particular Hamas commanders and their families.

His own back yard is the UK . He is the UK chief Rabbi. He is right to speak up about the safety of the UK Jewish community .

Israel is now well beyond hunting Hamas. They aren’t hunting Hamas when they fire on starving children looking for aid, or ambulance workers. Or a host of others. In terms of revenge, they’ve gone way beyond what nearly anyone would consider decent.

The terrible events in Gaza does not mean that people in the UK can’t deplore support for terrorism or criticise hate speech against Israelis.

I agree that their response has become disproportionate.

I don't agree that they are well beyond hunting Hamas, though. They are still in the process of picking off Hamas leaders one by one and have succeeded in killing most of the top tier of leadership based in Gaza.

Came across this while googling how many Hamas leaders the IDF have killed so far.

Unofficial IDF deck
As part of the Gaza war, an unofficial card deck of 54 wanted individuals were distributed to Israeli soldiers. The idea for the deck was inspired by the most-wanted Iraqi playing cards created by the Defense Intelligence Agency for identifying the top wanted members of Saddam Hussein's government during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The history of making such cards dates back to the American Civil War.
More than 10,000 decks of the cards were distributed to Israeli soldiers to help the soldiers identify top Hamas targets and to unsettle Hamas officials. The hierarchy of various Hamas officials has been mixed around in the deck in order to attempt to embarrass more higher-ranking officials.
As of May 2025, 35 individuals from the list had been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_most_wanted_playing_cards

It's notable by the way that the ones still alive tend to have based themselves outside Gaza.