This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

Im afraid I don’t think his motivation is as noble and self sacrificing as you suggest
He likes making provocative and offensive comments because he is a publicity seeker. How many people had heard of him before this?

Im afraid I don’t think his motivation is as noble and self sacrificing as you suggest

I don't think you're right in that assumption. Whatever you think of them (Bob Vylan is a duo not an individual) their music has always referenced social and political issues.

Musical themes
Common ideas found in the lyrics include social and political issues such as racism, police violence, economic inequality, access to healthy food, gentrification, mental health, fatherhood, late-stage capitalism, homophobia, toxic masculinity, Britain's political hypocrisy, and the pharmaceutical industry. The theme of the struggles of being a black man in Europe are recurring in every album, and include the mental health struggles of black men, institutional racism that contributes to poverty in black communities, the threat of police, and the struggles of being a black parent in a world that threatens your children.[37]
Walter Rodney, a Guyanese academic and anti-colonial activist, is featured on "Walter Speaks" and "Health Is Wealth".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Vylan

I doubt he did know that he was risking his career @Iscumaliom

Unintended consequences is a bitch but he knows now.

I don't know them but the BBC says Their lyrics tackle themes around racism, police violence, capitalism and fatherhood; as well as the ills of homophobia and toxic masculinity.

It seems they use their platform to voice the things that matter to them.

Anyway this thread is about 'the reality of what Israel are doing' so that's all I will say on Bob Vylan.

Yeah because he will have been completely blind to Kneecap losing their US visa and being dragged to court, blind to Ms Rachel being accused of being an agent of Hamas, blind to Gary linecar, blind to Dawn French, blind to the 'hate mob' rhetoric.

Everyone who speaks out for Palestine knows.

Oh he’s stupid then.

No he felt it was worth the risk. Why assume he's stupid because he makes different choices to you

risk vs reward

One sandwich short of a picnic.

one visa short of a tour apparently🙁

😂

All that article says on the subject is that he didn't like working for his former boss because he was a "fucking zionist". It doesn't say anything whatsoever about a problem with him being jewish. It doesn't even say he was jewish (plenty of zionists aren't, eg among the American Christian right).

If I say I don't like someone because they're a "fucking Nazi" it doesn't mean I hate Germans.

@Twiglets1 @quantumbutterfly I don't think this is an appropriate thread to be cracking jokes. I don't find anything remotely amusing about any of this. Tone deaf

It's an interesting one. I don't think a person speaking out about their boss continually bringing their pro Palestinian politics into a professional environment and making the people working beneath them feel uncomfortable would get such a reaction. Even if they said 'fucking pro Palestinian'.

There is a lot of kneejerk, emotional reaction to Bob Vylans comments that lack any real depth of thought.

Who's joking? Apparently his US visa has been cancelled poor chap. Can't tell you how sorry I am to hear that.

Sorry @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend I thought someone had bought a couple of clowns into the thread to amuse us.

Yeah it was right pair of clowns

You're not cracking a joke are you? Or maybe you do genuinely mean Bob & Bob.

For anyone saying that Kneecap are using the war for publicity - go to West Belfast (where they hail from) there are Palestinian flags everywhere. There are solidarity marches most weekends around NI. The community they live in are 100% for Palestine. Their take on it is not fake, they've been shouting about it since they started. As always NI is a strange place. Go to a loyalist part and you'll see Israel flags, just to p*ss off the Nationalists.

Yes - it’s true there are Palestinian flags everywhere in Nationalist communities. There are also historic links between IRA and the PLO .
In my view Kneecap are using the conflict to appeal to their fan base. They co opt symbols of terrorism and then claim they’re using them satirically. Hard to know what’s actually genuine.
If these bands actually cared about Palestinians they would be more vocal in their abhorrence of Hamas and Iran who have used innocent Palestinians as collateral for their own ends.

I suppose they see Hamas as a sort of "IRA" ie fighting back against occupation

What?

I was agreeing with what @Martymcfly24 suggested about the IDF potentially targeting journalists.

It’s not like I agree with the IDF targeting journalists so what are you are on about?

Not only have they backed up their words with actions like donating money to Gaza. But also kneecaps fanbase is not just republicans confined to Northern Ireland.

It would be stranger for a group of working class lads in a nationalist area in NI not to support the Palestinians.

They have grown up surrounded by Palestinian flags and solidarity messages. They will also have been surrounded by references of parallels in their experience and the Palestinian experience of fighting for their identity and living under partition and policing.

So there is much to criticise about Kneecap but their words and actions on the Palestinian issue are genuine.

” If these bands actually cared about Palestinians they would be more vocal in their abhorrence of Hamas and Iran who have used innocent Palestinians as collateral for their own ends.”

My point still stands.