This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

That poster seems to think it's about 'paying them back' not getting the hostages home, I would tend to agree. What Israel are doing is fueled by hatred, it's not about the hostages or even Hamas, as Gallant said right at the beginning 'We will erase everything' and that's what they have been doing while people cheer them on from the sidelines.

I heard the story today of the 80 year old Palestinian elderly man that was used as a human shield by the IDF. As If he had not suffered enough, they tied explosives around his neck and forced him to search houses. He was later let go with his elderly wife but before they had reached a short distance, both were shot dead. How can people still support the IDF? This is the depravaity they support.

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-human-shield-mosquito/

How has it been a bad week for the "But Hamas started everything" point of view? However much stuff you post about wartime atrocities you can never change the fact that Hamas did start this war. There was an uneasy truce before October 7th so I don't see how you can really fail to see that Hamas did start this war.

Equally, Israel do have a right to defend themselves, I would have thought that is unarguable.

Every country has a right to defend itself from massacres though I do agree the IDF have gone too far in their retaliation.

The fact that Israel is winning the war that Hamas started is because of their superior army, defence system, weapons etc. If Hamas had the capability they would do the same or worse to Israel. That is quite clear from what they have already said and done. Hamas insist on hiding out & storing weapons under public buildings like hospitals with the inevitable result that more civilians are killed than if they used different tactics.

Biased source.

You will have to stick to more reputable sources if you expect people to believe the stories that you post.

Oh for goodness sake it has been widely reported on.
Anything to say about the IDF's inhumane practice?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-16/ty-article/idf-reportedly-used-elderly-gazan-as-human-shield-tied-explosive-around-his-neck/00000195-0e56-d1b4-a7fd-cf7742bf0000

Hamas insist on hiding out & storing weapons under public buildings like hospitals with the inevitable result that more civilians are killed than if they used different tactics.

But where's the proof on this? Have you seen proof? The IDF and Israeli government is as you would say yourself 'a biased source', have you seen independent evidence that under all 36 hospitals Israel have bombed and burnt there are Hamas hiding out or weapons stored(or even the majority of those) ? If not then why are you believing these particular 'stories'?

Do you personally believe that if 1 member of Hamas is in a hospital it is fine to bomb it? Or what is the tipping point for you where you think it is fine to set teenagers on drips on fire and leave premature babies to die because Hamas are there, 1 person, 2 people? 1 gun? 2 guns? At what point does it become OK to you to kill the most vulnerable, I'm genuinely interested in your views on this because you don't seem to think that bombing hospitals shouldn't happen, what evidence have you seen that makes you OK with this?

A more balanced article about the incident (dating from January)

Gazan ‘human shield’ for IDF shot dead in error by officer — report

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gazan-human-shield-for-idf-shot-dead-in-error-by-officer-report/

So do you think this elderly man volunteered to become a 'human shield' for the IDF whilst rising his life going into Palestinian homes. Do you think any of this is ok in any way?

Do you think it's ok for the IDF to force defenceless Palestinians to become their 'mosquitos' such a degrading term they use.

Disgusting. The IDF and those who constantly make excuses for their crimes are like a brainwashed cult.

There has been much evidence of Hamas hiding out & storing weapons under public buildings like hospitals @Mylegishangingoff

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

If the only source of this 'evidence' are Israeli claims then there is no evidence.

I don't really understand what you think that article proves? How many of the 36 hospitals that have been bombed or burnt out does that article show evidence of Hamas being there at the time of the attack? That article even mentions Israels infamous 'infographic' the thing they completely made up and used as 'evidence' as to why they bombing a hospital was OK.

And again I ask the question how many members of Hamas do you personally think are worth the lives of the most vulnerable, not just the ones in the hospital at the time but the ones Israel will blow apart in future and won't have anywhere to get medical care? What is point where you personally go yeah, bombing the hospital was a good call. What evidence in particlar at which hospitals made you feel that way?

Pew Research released on 8th April regarding American views on Israel, it shows that support for Israel is at it's lowest for 25 years.

The most important figure is the under 50 cohort which is increasingly negative.
The Republican figure is suprising as the strongest support for Israel has always been on the right.

These are the future leaders in politics and industry. They are also the cohort that have seen these images livestreamed in 4K.

As the security of Israel is dependent upon the support of America, loss of support is important as politicians will have to serve their voters interests.

Hence my comment on Bad week.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/

Pertinent bits from the Guardian article I posted @Mylegishangingoff

How is Hamas accused of using human shields?
Israel has cited what it says are numerous examples of Hamas using human shields as a tactic in the current conflict and in the previous war in 2014. It claims Hamas has placed parts of its military tunnel system and command network under civilian objects including Gaza City’s Dar al-Shifa hospital.
Last Friday the IDF released an infographic depicting what it said was Hamas’s command HQ under the hospital. The following day, the IDF and the Shin Bet domestic security agency released footage they said was from the interrogation of two members of Hamas’s armed wing who they said had infiltrated Israel on 7 October during the massacre of 1,400 Israelis. They appeared to confirm that Hamas militants were using hospitals in the Gaza Strip to protect themselves from IDF strikes.
Is there independent evidence to back up the claims?
Anecdotal and other evidence does suggest that Hamas and other factions have used civilian objects including hospitals and schools. Guardian journalists in 2014 encountered armed men inside one hospital, and sightings of senior Hamas leaders inside the Shifa hospital have been documented.
During the 2014 conflict the UN reported weapons were found inside two UN schools and there have been numerous reports of Palestinian armed factions in Gaza firing rockets and other weapons from close to protected civilian locations. It is also clear that Hamas has operated from residential buildings.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

No I don't think that is ok and don't agree with everything the IDF do as I have stated many times.

Read the article especially this bit Guardian journalists in 2014 encountered armed men inside one hospital, and sightings of senior Hamas leaders inside the Shifa hospital have been documented.
During the 2014 conflict the UN reported weapons were found inside two UN schools and there have been numerous reports of Palestinian armed factions in Gaza firing rockets and other weapons from close to protected civilian locations. It is also clear that Hamas has operated from residential buildings.

No I do not think that is ok or that this man volunteered to become a human shield. It does seem that unfortunately both sides are using human shields in this war.

That's 2014. It's 2025. Are you saying that evidence from 2014 is enough for you to think it's OK to bomb 36 hospitals with vulnerable people and medical workers inside? Surely that's not the independent evidence of the presence of Hamas in all 36 hospitals you are using to justify all of the deaths and the lack of medical care these bombings have created? It would be great to see the independent evidence you are using.

No but what I am saying is that there is evidence of Hamas hiding out & storing weapons under public buildings like hospitals, as I stated above and you questioned.

Why are you pretending Hamas don't do this?

I've not seen any convincing evidence, no one has have they? And Israel refuse entry to any news outlets, so no one can verify what the IDF claim to find. Hmmm... Why are they so scared of journalists?

So you don't believe that Hamas operate in this way by hiding out & storing weapons under public buildings like hospitals?

We've all seen evidence of their tunnels under hospitals, schools etc but you don't believe Hamas use them to hide or store weapons?

You're defending Hamas now not Palestinian civilians.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/white-house-says-it-has-evidence-hamas-using-al-shifa-hospital-run-military-2023-11-14/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/16/israeli-soldiers-used-80-year-old-palestinian-as-gaza-human-shield-report

@Whatsinanamehey I actually think one of the things I found most disgusting (aside from wrapping an explosive around the man's neck) was the fact that IDF soldiers shot two unarmed very elderly people who were walking with a cane in the street because they didn't know they were "volunteer human shields" . Like why would they do that what threat did they pose, for what reason were they just murdered.

Evil bastards.

The IDF don't allow journalists in to verify their claims, are you saying they do??? Are you also saying the British, Irish and American healthcare staff that have been working in these hospitals are lying? Why would they lie?

Wanting independent objective verification of the IDF's claims as to why they believe they should destroy hospitals is not "defending Hamas". It is me seriously questioning why Israel is breaking international law. Questioning the actions of the IDF does not make anyone a terrorist sympathiser, no matter how many times you insist it does.