Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

[cindyhove]

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

You seem to think slinging around accusations of antisemitism is helpful…

From @cindyhove original post:

« why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious »

What is blindingly obvious?

You are still missing the point that some people are trying to address. There are many of us who will say of course Israel has a right to defend itself but disagree with the manner in which they do it and dont understand why they are also targeting the West Bank Palestinians.

You may say Israel had no option, but have you seen pictures of what Israel has done to Gaza? People have never seen images like this before and you really shouldn’t surprise when people are appalled by the photos coming out of Gaza. I have not seen anything comparable.

We are also appalled when our leaders do not question what has been happening and continues to happen? Not only that, out governments facilitate the conflict. There seems something incredibly disingenuous about selling arms to a country and then also saying that you will honour an ICC arrest warrant for war crimes for that country’s leader.

It appears that a lot of main stream media are also looking more at what has happened in Gaza. The reporting has become more critical of Israeli actions. They seem to at least reflect views of their readers. Have you seen any political leaders call out the recent killings of rescue workers by the IDF?

I don't deny that Hamas is antisemitic, but Nazi Germany was a super-powerful nation with the means to systematically murder 6 million Jews (including many of my ancestors). Hamas' power is miniscule by comparison. The two states have almost nothing in common.

A ridiculous comparison that only serves to paint the powerful nation of Israel as an eternal victim.

From my POV, most people are advocating for the people of Palestine, not for Hamas.

But it's clear that arguing here is pointless. I should know better by now. History will not absolve you. Bye now.

You can't deny there's plenty of footage tho.

If you could go back to the Rwandan genocide with a smartphone, if there was a market for footage of the recent massacre of Christian civilians in Sudan, if you could stream what happened in Bucha in Ukraine, the firebombing of Japanese cities, Abu Ghraib, do you think you'd see more or less atrocity?

Humans are capable of awful shit. Jews, Christians, Muslims. You create a state of war then each side dehumanizes the other, and atrocities happen.

It was Hamas who bought this war about.

Yet, we see more hate for Israel on here than we do for Hamas, they're excused as they're just terrorists. But Israel is held to a different standard.

That's why we see antisemitism.

Oh and the near constant Holocaust Inversion and calling Palestinian detainees ' hostages '.

Glad it got deleted @verysmellyjelly

Personal attacks never win arguments.

Most of what you’re sharing is propaganda. Yes October 7th was horrific . I suspect Israel knew it was going to happen not to mention Netanyahus support of Hamas on the past. Oxfam have stated that more men and women have been murdered by Israel in one year than in any other conflict in recent times. Doctors being targeted . Babies left to die in incubators . The very respectable medical journal the lancet putting the figure of innocents murdered in the hundreds and thousands of. How long are you going to keep sprouting your propaganda when the evidence is the opposite. An example is the latest paramedics being slaughtered. The evidence is the total opposite of what Israel claims. No one believed the lies anymore ! Several members of the Israeli government have been calling for the genocide . Netanyahu was filmed holding up a map of greater Israel before October 7th. Don’t embarrass yourself . Your comments add to the anti Israel rhetoric

You are the one posting propaganda, and in fact very sadly walking quite a fine line legally given that Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Sure, and when he uses "from the river to the sea", that's entirely different to when Hamas use it?

I don't know why you, or the other people on this thread, feel compelled to either ignore or justify the killing of thousands of Palestinians, the vast majority of which are women and children. I say that because even with the campaign of disinformation, the killing of journalists and the lies of the Israeli government there's more than enough credible reports of their war crimes.

And Netanyahu a wanted war criminal. Careful who you side with. The only people I side with in this conflict are the innocent civilians being slaughtered.

This is such a bizarre distortion of what people who support Israel actually say, which tends to be that civilian deaths are incredibly tragic, but that they do happen in a war. There has never to my knowledge been a war without any civilian deaths. I mean… maybe? But not an urban war like this one. Placing the blame correctly on Hamas shouldn’t even be controversial. It doesn’t preclude criticising Israel over specific decisions that one may disagree with, even, and certainly doesn’t mean saying that individual IDF members should get away with war crimes.

Its just surreal that even factually describing what happens is twisted into “omg you clearly want Palestinian babies to die”. No, but I comprehend the fact that was is awful and brutal and sad. I also understand that Hamas is a death cult.

I’m no fan of Bibi and certainly have disagreed with him on many things, but this isn’t the gotcha you think it is. When the international community is saturated with Jew hate, a war crimes charge against him is political point scoring.

You show your delusions with comments like you “suspect Israel knew it was going to happen “… you suspect that because it would make Israel culpable of everything including the massacre of their own people. A most unbelievable scenario to a reasonable person.

You also have a delusion that no one believes “the lies” anymore but it is not one sided and there is a great deal of support still for both sides. Plus most people can see blame on both sides.

If everyone could see “the lies” & was as anti Israel as you think, there would be a wave of response from international governments. Yet they largely stay silent or share words not actions.

Tell me what support western governments have directly given to those killing innocent people in Rwanda, to the Russians killing people in Ukraine, to those massacring people in Sudan? I would be genuinely interested. I have done a Google search and nothing seems to have come up.

There were lots of articles about the Iraq war and you can look up the marches against that conflict. Doesn’t quite fit into your argument.

Firebombing of Japanese cities - are you referring to a time before the Geneva convention? Is that what you want the world to return to?

I agree with you. The ‘Israel knew’ line very much so.

a war crimes charge against him is political point scoring

no it’s a legitimate attempt to hold him to account. Minimising it as ‘political point scoring’ is awful.

Its just surreal that even factually describing what happens is twisted into “omg you clearly want Palestinian babies to die”. No, but I comprehend the fact that was is awful and brutal and sad.

that’s exactly what you did to my words.

Because we're legally obliged not to sell arms to States engaged in plausible genocide. We've already been forced to suspend 30 of the 350 types of weapons we supply Israel based on current legal advice.

States simply involved in systematic human rights abuses, including torture, dissappearances, arbitrary detention, use of lethal force on protest etc we're fine with. Which is how we got away with arming both Egypt & Israel simultaneously for years.

Western countries removed the peacekeepers in Rwanda which allowed the genocide to take off. We all absolutely looked the other way. The villains of Abu Ghraib were American.

But that wasn't my point. My point is that Western, Eastern, Jewish, Muslim, whatever, we are all capable of atrocity. Israel is as vulnerable to political corruption and commiting war atrocities as any other nations in the history of humankind. We are aggressive apes.

I'm just frequently at a loss to explain why so many posters seem to hate Israel more than Hamas. To hold Israel accountable for Hamas' actions. Why there's so many threads about the atrocities committed by the IDF in comparison to other atrocities by other groups. Why does Israel inspire such vitriol? Why Hamas justifications for 7 October find such sympathy here?

Your posts and assumptions are becoming more and more erratic. You have accused me of multiple things now that are all lies. Perhaps take a little breather and come back with a cooler mind.

@dairydebris

But the point for some of people IS that our governments are complicit in the conflict.

Perhaps if we did have SM, the UN / US troops would not have backed out of Rwanda due to public outrage.

There is also a crucial difference between withdrawal of peacekeeping troops and the support for country doing the massacre and provision of arms to facilitate the massacre.

You can search back to the demonstrations against the Iraq war. Here is a collage of photos - including from within the US

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2023/mar/21/iraq-war-global-protests-against-pictures

Well is there another explanation as to the disproportionately continued/biased coverage?

I haven’t seen anyone on the thread express sympathy with Hamas. And I don’t myself have any sympathy for them. Western governments make excuses for Israel just as they made excuses for Rwanda and the US

You are of course correct every culture and society is capable of this. That is without doubt I guess previous to now, I would have seen Israel as a liberal democracy very like the US - who also have committed crimes against humanity but are not all bad. (Although this is changing!) Now I see it very much like Saudi Arabia where the government is inherently bad. And who we are similarly very tight with - too tight and too willing to overlook their crimes.

Why does it even matter to you anyway. Let people express their feelings about the deaths in Palestine. Ultimately it doesn’t matter. Israel has essentially won. It will get to takeover Gaza and do what it wants with the Palestinians and western governments will continue to ultimately support them despite the other voices.

“People like you” really says it all doesn’t it

Seriously, this isn't a war, it's a genocide. There has never been a war in modern history where there have been so many innocent civilians, particularly women and children killed.

The numbers dwarf every other contemporary conflict including even the Battle of Raqqa, which saw 2,556 civilian deaths over four months. The destruction in Gaza during just October 2023 eclipsed these figures in just 25 days. (5,139 civilians killed)

Over those 25 days over 1,900 children were killed in Gaza, in January 2016, 279 children were killed in Syria. We responded to Syria by bombing them.

As for using Hamas as an excuse for genocide, that's laughable. It would be like the UK government responding to the IRA by killing everyone in Northern Ireland. Nowhere has killing civilians lessened support for terrorist groups, in fact it always does the opposite.

Hamas agreed to lay down it's arms in April 2024, and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

That's a big concession from a group committed to the destruction of Israel. It would have given Israel and opposition parties in Palestine their best chance of peace but Netanyahu was never going to go for it. Both because of his unpopularity domestically and he's a fundamentalist zealot.