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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 11:02

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 10:59

Hamas wants the total extinction of all Jews. When you pretend that they are not an opponent that fundamentally threatens Israel’s existence and security, and the safety of Israel’s innocent citizens, you are unintentionally collaborating with their massiv propaganda operation. I’m not even blaming you; many people unwittingly do this. Hamas does not care about the Palestinians. They care about exterminating Jews.

I don’t deny that, but killing all innocent citizens in the way is not the appropriate response.
I understand the emotion and the anger and the fear, but what Israel is doing is not right. End of.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:04

thepariscrimefiles · 06/04/2025 09:03

Hamas is a genocidal terrorist anti-semitic organisation with the ultimate aim of getting rid of Jews from Israel. However, the majority of people who are appalled at the actions of the Israeli government do not support Hamas in any way. You are saying that anyone who accuses the Israeli government of war crimes and genocide is a supporter of Hamas and anti-semitic. That is patently untrue.

In the same way that Hamas don't see Jews as fellow human beings, the more extreme members of Netanyahu's right-wing messianic government don't see the Palestinians, even the children, as human beings.

Contributing to a global project of antisemitism is indeed behaving in an antisemitic way, and that’s what people who are currently attacking Israel for a war that Hamas started are doing (even when they attempt to come up with some other justification for it). That’s not to say there can be no valid criticism of Bibi or that the Israeli government is beyond reproach, any more than other specific governments. All governments make unethical and bad decisions. Israelis no exception. But the fact that only Israel is being treated in this was is 100% noteworthy and points to antisemitism as the driving force. Where is this energy for other governments’ equally unethical decisions?

It’s nowhere.

Because this government is the government of the sole Jewish state, and it suits a lot of people that this permissible form of Jew hate has arisen.

Whatthewhatwhatwhat · 06/04/2025 11:05

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 10:52

Do you think the babies and children who died during the bombings of Germany by allied forces were “murdered”? Or are you just using inflammatory language in this specific instance because it happens to be the sole Jewish state that’s at war.

Yes I think they were murdered. Dresden was clearly a war crime.

It’s incredible that you are drawing a comparison between Nazi Germany and Palestine.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:06

Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 11:02

I don’t deny that, but killing all innocent citizens in the way is not the appropriate response.
I understand the emotion and the anger and the fear, but what Israel is doing is not right. End of.

What this means is that you don’t think Israel is allowed to defend itself. In practice you think the Jewish people should not be allowed a state, because in order to secure that state they have to have the right of self defence, like all other states do. You are dreaming if you think there can be any war without civilian deaths. Hamas started this war, and yet you are still blaming Israel. The only conclusion is that you think Israel should let itself be destroyed.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:06

Whatthewhatwhatwhat · 06/04/2025 11:05

Yes I think they were murdered. Dresden was clearly a war crime.

It’s incredible that you are drawing a comparison between Nazi Germany and Palestine.

It’s entirely reasonable. Hamas wants to exterminate all Jews. So… quite a lot like Nazi Germany, then.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:07

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 11:00

You are right, but some people are so ingrained in their defence for Israel's indefensible actions, that they refuse to see it.

You should come out and say that you think the Jewish people do not deserve statehood, because that’s what you mean.

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 11:08

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dairydebris · 06/04/2025 11:08

Whatthewhatwhatwhat · 06/04/2025 11:05

Yes I think they were murdered. Dresden was clearly a war crime.

It’s incredible that you are drawing a comparison between Nazi Germany and Palestine.

Well not really. The Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a solid supporter of Hitler. What's more amazing is that people can't make the direct link between Hamas and the Final Solution.

Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 11:08

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:06

What this means is that you don’t think Israel is allowed to defend itself. In practice you think the Jewish people should not be allowed a state, because in order to secure that state they have to have the right of self defence, like all other states do. You are dreaming if you think there can be any war without civilian deaths. Hamas started this war, and yet you are still blaming Israel. The only conclusion is that you think Israel should let itself be destroyed.

That’s a ridiculous leap to make, and you are doing so to try to justify the unjustifiable.

THIS is why you are seeing so much anti-Israel stuff. Because of people like you. There’s no reasoning with you.

dairydebris · 06/04/2025 11:09

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:06

It’s entirely reasonable. Hamas wants to exterminate all Jews. So… quite a lot like Nazi Germany, then.

It's either ignorance or antisemitism...

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 11:09

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:07

You should come out and say that you think the Jewish people do not deserve statehood, because that’s what you mean.

Why is Israel the only statehood that shouldn’t be scrutinised for their actions? I can’t think of another country in the world bestowed that level of unaccountability.

CrunchyKnees · 06/04/2025 11:10

Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 11:02

I don’t deny that, but killing all innocent citizens in the way is not the appropriate response.
I understand the emotion and the anger and the fear, but what Israel is doing is not right. End of.

Can you point to evidence that Israel is killing ALL innocent civilians?

Do you not know that sadly civilians are often killed in wars?

Can you think of any reason for the higher than average death toll in this war? Although the actual combatant to civilian death ratio is the lowest of any urban warfare to date according to military experts.

What was an appropriate response to Oct 7th?

Please tell us how you would have responded in Israel’s position?

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 11:11

Can you point to evidence that Israel is killing ALL innocent civilians?

@CrunchyKnees can you explain why Israel is still resisting journalist access into Gaza?

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:12

Nads0622 · 06/04/2025 09:20

It’s not Hamas that have slaughtered hundreds of thousands and no most of those killed are not male combatants they are women and children, hundreds babies not even a year old. There’s extremely strong evidence of rape and butchery by the IDF with Israeli soldiers defending accusations of rape as saying it’s their right so I ask you, do you support the genocide , mass slaughter and butchery by the IDF ???? It’s heavily documented everywhere with evidence everywhere. The ‘but Hamas’ mantra just doesn’t cut it any more

This simply isn’t true. Even Hamas has now admitted the majority of those killed are male combatants.

It is deeply sad that any civilians have died, yes. Of course no baby or young child deserves to die in war. When you say “but Hamas” as if that is some kind of irrelevant side point, though, you are intentionally deflecting from the fact that Hamas brought this onto their own people. Hamas planned, organised, and perpetrated October 7th. Knowing that Israel would have no choice but to strike back. Hamas doesn’t value their own babies, children and women. They raise children to believe that martyrdom is desirable. Of course those of us with sane values don’t think that this twisted world view has any truth to it, but it makes it infinitely more difficult to prosecute a war, because they will not try to protect the vulnerable.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:14

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 11:09

Why is Israel the only statehood that shouldn’t be scrutinised for their actions? I can’t think of another country in the world bestowed that level of unaccountability.

Not one single comment of mine says that. On the contrary, I have specifically said that I think the Israeli government is on par with other governments (ie prone to unethical decisions), and that I believe the IDF has committed war crimes. Yet only the Jewish state has seen such profound hatred and disinformation directed at it that antisemitic hate crimes have soared worldwide.

dairydebris · 06/04/2025 11:14

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 11:11

Can you point to evidence that Israel is killing ALL innocent civilians?

@CrunchyKnees can you explain why Israel is still resisting journalist access into Gaza?

Possibly because it knows there's a decent chance of journalists getting killed in the absolute hell and chaos of war?
I think there's plenty of footage coming out of Gaza despite this. We can all see the awful stuff happening.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:15

Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 11:08

That’s a ridiculous leap to make, and you are doing so to try to justify the unjustifiable.

THIS is why you are seeing so much anti-Israel stuff. Because of people like you. There’s no reasoning with you.

On the contrary, my post is the directly logical conclusion to draw from what you’ve said. You are the one who refuses to follow the steps of a logical process.

SassySusie · 06/04/2025 11:15

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:12

This simply isn’t true. Even Hamas has now admitted the majority of those killed are male combatants.

It is deeply sad that any civilians have died, yes. Of course no baby or young child deserves to die in war. When you say “but Hamas” as if that is some kind of irrelevant side point, though, you are intentionally deflecting from the fact that Hamas brought this onto their own people. Hamas planned, organised, and perpetrated October 7th. Knowing that Israel would have no choice but to strike back. Hamas doesn’t value their own babies, children and women. They raise children to believe that martyrdom is desirable. Of course those of us with sane values don’t think that this twisted world view has any truth to it, but it makes it infinitely more difficult to prosecute a war, because they will not try to protect the vulnerable.

Do you know anything about this conflict before the 7th of October?

Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 11:16

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:15

On the contrary, my post is the directly logical conclusion to draw from what you’ve said. You are the one who refuses to follow the steps of a logical process.

Q.E.D.

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 11:16

dairydebris · 06/04/2025 11:14

Possibly because it knows there's a decent chance of journalists getting killed in the absolute hell and chaos of war?
I think there's plenty of footage coming out of Gaza despite this. We can all see the awful stuff happening.

War correspondents are perfectly aware of the dangers, they don’t require protecting from themselves.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:16

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Calling someone “depraved” for challenging your antisemitic post is the height of unreasonable.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:17

Swiftie1878 · 06/04/2025 11:16

Q.E.D.

I see you are still unable to provide any actual argument to support your point.

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:17

SassySusie · 06/04/2025 11:15

Do you know anything about this conflict before the 7th of October?

Do you think slinging insults is especially helpful?

Whatthewhatwhatwhat · 06/04/2025 11:22

dairydebris · 06/04/2025 11:14

Possibly because it knows there's a decent chance of journalists getting killed in the absolute hell and chaos of war?
I think there's plenty of footage coming out of Gaza despite this. We can all see the awful stuff happening.

It's very naive to think that this is the reason. War reporters go to war. That's what they do. Israel are trying (and failing) to control the narrative about the war. It would be even harder with foreign reporters on the ground.

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 11:22

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 11:16

Calling someone “depraved” for challenging your antisemitic post is the height of unreasonable.

Okay. I don’t see the antisemitism in simply repeating what has been publicly said by Israeli politicians themselves. If anything I’m totally accepting the view of an independent state and calling it horrific. I haven’t once questioned its right to exist, I have questioned its actions. Why should t anyone be able to do that?

indicating that who someone has chosen to represent me as saying that I want anyone raped, murdered or brutalised as possibly depraved themselves also is not antisemitic. That’s simply finding someone’s words horrific based on those words alone.

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