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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 14:19

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

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TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 06/04/2025 12:42

Have you seen today's news?

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 12:43

Kakeandkake · 06/04/2025 08:35

See, this is another thing I find really strange. Those who are broadly pro-Palestinian will accept blame lies on both sides. But for some strange reason which I can't fathom so many like the poster above verysmellyjelly absolve Israel of all blame even though it's Israel that are throwing two thousand pound bombs on schools and hospitals. It's all really odd.

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Really? You really believe that?? Unbelievable

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TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 12:51

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 12:40

Well is there another explanation as to the disproportionately continued/biased coverage?

Can you cite examples of this bias that haven't come from claims by Israel or their proxies, like the Jewish Chronicle?

Because the consensus amongst British journalists is that there is a pro-Israel bias in what they're allowed to report.

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"All of the journalists requested anonymity for fear of professional reprisals. Despite working for a range of outlets from across the political spectrum, they painted a consistent picture of the obstacles faced by reporters who want to humanise Palestinians or scrutinise Israeli government narratives.
A reporter from the right-wing Times newspaper said: “I literally cried in the bathroom so many times because of the uphill battle of trying to get things reported.” Disgruntled staff at the liberal Guardian have compiled an “exhaustive spreadsheet” with a “mountain of examples” of the paper “amplifying unchallenged Israeli propaganda…or treating clearly false statements by Israeli spokespeople as credible”.
Journalists working in TV studios face a similar struggle, with swift repercussions if guests from the Israeli government are asked difficult questions on air. Declassified was told: “The Israeli narrative always reigned supreme and instructed the coverage at Sky News, no matter how inaccurate”.
At the BBC, when it comes to reporting accurately on the nature of Israeli conduct in Gaza, a journalist said “the use of the word genocide is effectively banned, and any contributor who uses this word is immediately shut down.” At ITN, which produces news programmes for three British TV channels, the focus is on “clicks not ethical clarity”, a member of staff lamented. “Tragic footage [from Gaza] is often met with…remarks about how much traffic it will generate, as if it’s not real lives being impacted.”

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quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 12:56

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 12:51

Can you cite examples of this bias that haven't come from claims by Israel or their proxies, like the Jewish Chronicle?

Because the consensus amongst British journalists is that there is a pro-Israel bias in what they're allowed to report.

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"All of the journalists requested anonymity for fear of professional reprisals. Despite working for a range of outlets from across the political spectrum, they painted a consistent picture of the obstacles faced by reporters who want to humanise Palestinians or scrutinise Israeli government narratives.
A reporter from the right-wing Times newspaper said: “I literally cried in the bathroom so many times because of the uphill battle of trying to get things reported.” Disgruntled staff at the liberal Guardian have compiled an “exhaustive spreadsheet” with a “mountain of examples” of the paper “amplifying unchallenged Israeli propaganda…or treating clearly false statements by Israeli spokespeople as credible”.
Journalists working in TV studios face a similar struggle, with swift repercussions if guests from the Israeli government are asked difficult questions on air. Declassified was told: “The Israeli narrative always reigned supreme and instructed the coverage at Sky News, no matter how inaccurate”.
At the BBC, when it comes to reporting accurately on the nature of Israeli conduct in Gaza, a journalist said “the use of the word genocide is effectively banned, and any contributor who uses this word is immediately shut down.” At ITN, which produces news programmes for three British TV channels, the focus is on “clicks not ethical clarity”, a member of staff lamented. “Tragic footage [from Gaza] is often met with…remarks about how much traffic it will generate, as if it’s not real lives being impacted.”

Consensus? From one article citing anonymous journalists, which also mentions that scenes from Gaza are being aired on news reports.

springbringshope · 06/04/2025 12:58

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:46

Go find a bucket

Your response to the slaughter of 15,000 babies is all we need to know about you and your inability to see anything beyond your rhetoric

Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 13:01

Odras · 06/04/2025 12:41

I haven’t seen anyone on the thread express sympathy with Hamas. And I don’t myself have any sympathy for them. Western governments make excuses for Israel just as they made excuses for Rwanda and the US

You are of course correct every culture and society is capable of this. That is without doubt I guess previous to now, I would have seen Israel as a liberal democracy very like the US - who also have committed crimes against humanity but are not all bad. (Although this is changing!) Now I see it very much like Saudi Arabia where the government is inherently bad. And who we are similarly very tight with - too tight and too willing to overlook their crimes.

Why does it even matter to you anyway. Let people express their feelings about the deaths in Palestine. Ultimately it doesn’t matter. Israel has essentially won. It will get to takeover Gaza and do what it wants with the Palestinians and western governments will continue to ultimately support them despite the other voices.

I don’t think most pro Palestine people would agree with you that Israel has essentially won but I would - then again I’m more pro Israel.

That being the case wouldn’t it make sense for Hamas to surrender now and release the hostages, hopefully bring an end to the bloodshed? I don’t understand what they think they are achieving by continuing to fight.

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 13:03

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 12:51

Can you cite examples of this bias that haven't come from claims by Israel or their proxies, like the Jewish Chronicle?

Because the consensus amongst British journalists is that there is a pro-Israel bias in what they're allowed to report.

SUPPORT OUR WORK

"All of the journalists requested anonymity for fear of professional reprisals. Despite working for a range of outlets from across the political spectrum, they painted a consistent picture of the obstacles faced by reporters who want to humanise Palestinians or scrutinise Israeli government narratives.
A reporter from the right-wing Times newspaper said: “I literally cried in the bathroom so many times because of the uphill battle of trying to get things reported.” Disgruntled staff at the liberal Guardian have compiled an “exhaustive spreadsheet” with a “mountain of examples” of the paper “amplifying unchallenged Israeli propaganda…or treating clearly false statements by Israeli spokespeople as credible”.
Journalists working in TV studios face a similar struggle, with swift repercussions if guests from the Israeli government are asked difficult questions on air. Declassified was told: “The Israeli narrative always reigned supreme and instructed the coverage at Sky News, no matter how inaccurate”.
At the BBC, when it comes to reporting accurately on the nature of Israeli conduct in Gaza, a journalist said “the use of the word genocide is effectively banned, and any contributor who uses this word is immediately shut down.” At ITN, which produces news programmes for three British TV channels, the focus is on “clicks not ethical clarity”, a member of staff lamented. “Tragic footage [from Gaza] is often met with…remarks about how much traffic it will generate, as if it’s not real lives being impacted.”

I don’t read the JC so have no idea what they write. I am going with my personal view of what I watch on (too many and too often) news channels. Of you feel that they are pro israel biased I hate to think what your perception of “anti” is.

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cindyhove · 06/04/2025 13:04

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 12:42

Seriously, this isn't a war, it's a genocide. There has never been a war in modern history where there have been so many innocent civilians, particularly women and children killed.

The numbers dwarf every other contemporary conflict including even the Battle of Raqqa, which saw 2,556 civilian deaths over four months. The destruction in Gaza during just October 2023 eclipsed these figures in just 25 days. (5,139 civilians killed)

Over those 25 days over 1,900 children were killed in Gaza, in January 2016, 279 children were killed in Syria. We responded to Syria by bombing them.

As for using Hamas as an excuse for genocide, that's laughable. It would be like the UK government responding to the IRA by killing everyone in Northern Ireland. Nowhere has killing civilians lessened support for terrorist groups, in fact it always does the opposite.

Hamas agreed to lay down it's arms in April 2024, and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

That's a big concession from a group committed to the destruction of Israel. It would have given Israel and opposition parties in Palestine their best chance of peace but Netanyahu was never going to go for it. Both because of his unpopularity domestically and he's a fundamentalist zealot.

Seriously it isn’t

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Missey85 · 06/04/2025 13:05

DancefloorAcrobatics · 05/04/2025 14:46

Because it's difficult not to notice the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians.
Because western politics seem to turn a blind eye.
Because our media/ politicians want us to know about what is going on. So they report it in favour of other atrocities.

Well what did they expect? They kidnapped all those people and what Israel are supposed to just sit back and do nothing? I'm with Israel on this

thepariscrimefiles · 06/04/2025 13:18

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 10:52

Do you think the babies and children who died during the bombings of Germany by allied forces were “murdered”? Or are you just using inflammatory language in this specific instance because it happens to be the sole Jewish state that’s at war.

Many experts believe that the UK's bombing of Dresden in WW2 was a war crime due to the indiscriminate nature of the attacks and the large numbers of civilian casualties.

Are you saying that, in your opinion, there is no legitimate criticism of the IDF's and the Israeli Government's actions towards the Palestinian civilian population and that all cricism is anti-semitic?

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:26

Missey85 · 06/04/2025 13:05

Well what did they expect? They kidnapped all those people and what Israel are supposed to just sit back and do nothing? I'm with Israel on this

Either they expected just this response, and the increased support for their cause that would (and has) caused, or they hoped to use the hostages to bargain with. For Hamas, it's a win-win, for the Palestinian women and children, not so much.

How much are you with Israel on this? Would you personally press the button that wipes out a hospital full of women and children? Would you have pulled the trigger on the civilians inside the convent?

Personally, I wouldn't support, or defend, any actions that targeted civilians from either side.

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:34

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 13:03

I don’t read the JC so have no idea what they write. I am going with my personal view of what I watch on (too many and too often) news channels. Of you feel that they are pro israel biased I hate to think what your perception of “anti” is.

That's a no then. You don't have any evidence of anti-Israel bias and nothing of substance to back up your claim. Or, looking at your replies here, no evidence of any of your claims other than your "personal views".

I find it strange that you can hold such strong views without anything at all to back them up. Where does your confidence in your opinion come from?

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:39

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 12:43

Really? You really believe that?? Unbelievable

That's certainly the case on this thread. The only concession to Israeli war crimes has been, "it's terribly sad", hardly a balanced view. Imagine defending the atrocity of Oct 7th with, " well, it's a war, these things happen"

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 13:41

Missey85 · 06/04/2025 13:05

Well what did they expect? They kidnapped all those people and what Israel are supposed to just sit back and do nothing? I'm with Israel on this

What does the end look like to you?

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 13:45

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 13:04

Seriously it isn’t

that is why international court warrant out for both Israel and Hamas leaders. Until they have their day in court you absolutely can’t declare ‘it isn’t’.

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:45

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 13:04

Seriously it isn’t

Well, thanks for another well reasoned and supported response that doesn't explain how or why you've come to your conclusion.

Is this your debating tactic, bore people into submission with bold assertions? Well, you've won, it's like having a discussion with a pigeon, a total waste of effort.

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 13:49

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:39

That's certainly the case on this thread. The only concession to Israeli war crimes has been, "it's terribly sad", hardly a balanced view. Imagine defending the atrocity of Oct 7th with, " well, it's a war, these things happen"

7/10 happened during a 'ceasefire' not a war.

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 13:51

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:45

Well, thanks for another well reasoned and supported response that doesn't explain how or why you've come to your conclusion.

Is this your debating tactic, bore people into submission with bold assertions? Well, you've won, it's like having a discussion with a pigeon, a total waste of effort.

Do you often talk to wildlife?

SassySusie · 06/04/2025 13:55

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 13:49

7/10 happened during a 'ceasefire' not a war.

That’s extremely simplistic.

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 13:59

SassySusie · 06/04/2025 13:55

That’s extremely simplistic.

Indeed, there were still rockets being lobbed over the Israeli border, many nova witnesses didn't appreciate the difference until it was too late.

Cornettoninja · 06/04/2025 14:13

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 13:49

7/10 happened during a 'ceasefire' not a war.

Can you have a ceasefire without a war? If there’s no war, what’s the use of a ceasefire?

verysmellyjelly · 06/04/2025 14:22

thepariscrimefiles · 06/04/2025 13:18

Many experts believe that the UK's bombing of Dresden in WW2 was a war crime due to the indiscriminate nature of the attacks and the large numbers of civilian casualties.

Are you saying that, in your opinion, there is no legitimate criticism of the IDF's and the Israeli Government's actions towards the Palestinian civilian population and that all cricism is anti-semitic?

You’re conveniently ignoring my posts that say the direct opposite.

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 14:24

quantumbutterfly · 06/04/2025 13:51

Do you often talk to wildlife?

Yes and they often talk back. I'm not anti-semiotic.

cindyhove · 06/04/2025 14:25

TheWombatleague · 06/04/2025 13:45

Well, thanks for another well reasoned and supported response that doesn't explain how or why you've come to your conclusion.

Is this your debating tactic, bore people into submission with bold assertions? Well, you've won, it's like having a discussion with a pigeon, a total waste of effort.

Of only it were really that simple to get people to admit out loud that they are just anti israel full stop. But bye

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