To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

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We are back to hundreds of Gazans being killed each day after the so called ceasefire and over 50,000 now slaughtered, mostly women and children.
The bombing of hospitals, schools and 'safe zones' not being enough, they are now picking off paramedics. How much depravity is the world going to tolerate?

AIBU to suggest that the world leaders complicit in Netanyahu's genocide should all stand before the Hague?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

Yes, that’s something I don’t get.
Hamas launched a horrific terror attack, Israel fought back, not just to retaliate, but also to prevent any future attacks of that kind, and some people’s reaction to that is “Israel always wanted to obliterate Gaza!”
Even if you think Israel’s reaction is over the top, how can you completely ignore what happened on October 7th and Hamas’ pledge to do it again and again?

Actions to challenge it?

You really see October 7th as “an action to challenge” the status quo?

No one is ignoring October 7th - it has been acknowledged by both sides on this thread as horrific, a crime against humanity, barbaric. What you don’t seem to acknowledge is the kids murdered, women raped, kids held without trial by the IDF going back decades. What you don’t acknowledge is generations of Palestinians traumatised by lost family members, lost limbs, lost land and houses, kids with PTSD who often times retreat into themselves losing their ability to speak.

And you wonder why some kids growing up in these conditions become terrorists who hate their occupiers. Hate breeds hate, as someone else just said you need to start at chapter 1 not 6!

I think you are following one subplot and ignoring all the others.

Stop trying to justify the massacre of civilians, nothing justified that.

She sees Oct 7th as not being the ‘start of hostilities’ which I agree that it wasn’t, but she’s totally ignored, as usual, the glaringly obvious reason why Israel had had to take the security measures it has to protect its citizens since 1948.

It’s almost as if decades of Arab wars/Palestinian terrorism was a figment of Israel’s imagination, and just propaganda!

Do you think attacks like Oct 7th wouldn’t have happened if Israel had fucked off out of their business and said, it’s fine, all Palestinians are free to come into Israel and do what they like @JunkShopper?

Especially seeing as the Palestinian ‘cause’ is to annihilate Israel and wipe out the Jews?

You can’t keep pretending it was to have their own State alongside Israel because they would have had one by now if that’s all they wanted surely?

Well there is that.

Lots of people were wanging on about it being all Netanyahu's fault because apparently he created/funded hamas, of course they could have used the funds to create an egalitarian society but that wasn't their priority.

I thought the funding came from Qatar?

Although I’m sure a lot of Israeli tax payers money had been spent providing medical care, water, electricity and WiFi to Palestinians?

Netanyahu 'allowed' it.....it's all his fault apparently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg55q1w58jo

Nothing justifies the massacre of civilians since Oct 7th either.

Surely the only people who want this war are extremists.
The people killed on 7/10 were mostly peaceniks, did you hear Naama trying to talk to her captors, she worked with Hands of Peace.
The extremists who want to eradicate Israel breed the extremists within Israel. Iran's puppets don't want peace between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, and too many people are bringing that conflict to innocent Jewish people in the UK.

This.

It was vile.

But they’ve killed, detained and oppressed thousands of Palestinians over the years before Oct 7, not out of the blue.

There's no logic. Just hatred.

Well that didn’t come out of the blue either:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence

Oh look they’ve even got their own Wiki page just for terrorism against Israel, including a list of notable attacks, not sure how many less notable ones haven’t been included. The list of different groups involved is quite large too.

Anyone would think Israel’s security concerns that led to the ‘oppression’ of Palestinians happened in a vacuum.

I also always find it quite perverse that people use the argument that more Palestinians are killed than Israelis as proof as Israel’s evil.

Do they even consider that without Israel’s economy, intelligence services and security measures, as well as a highly trained and well equipped army that may not be the case?

I mean what do they think would have happened if Israel lost the war in 1948 when they were attacked as a fledgling nation by SIX established Arab countries, didn’t even have a proper army and were outnumbered in population by 1:67?

I mean with all the support and funding from the surrounding Arab countries, why didn’t the Arabs/Palestinians have a more equal footing? Israel started with nothing but mainly desert in 1948 but we are led to believe the Palestinians were there long before them as it is ‘their land’.

There were more Arabs in the region originally.

Nothing to do with having different ideologies I suppose?

And Palestinian terrorist groups have taken hostages, killed hundreds and injured thousands of innocent Israelis and Jews over the years before October 7th. Palestinian terrorist groups, their ruling parties and their financial and military backers have killed, injured and oppressed many more thousands of innocent Palestinians over the years in their own territories.

The constant denial that Palestinian terrorist groups and ruling authorities have any agency or accountability for inflicting such terrible hardship upon the people they claim to be fighting for and positing that the only possible path forward is an uncompromisingly violent and divisive one are reductive and infantilising to all the people involved.

I don't know. Most attacks against Israelis happen in the OPT. Do pro Israel people ever consider that maybe if Israels government didn't encourage their citizens to live in other people's homes and land there would be a lot less need for defence? It takes a lot to defend 10% of your population living on stolen land, that seems to be the price they are willing to pay for free property though.

You're right, you don't know.

The massacre was out of the blue however you dress it up.

They were justified in retaliating against the biggest attack on Jews since the Holocaust don’t you think? Although I agree the IDF are going too far now.