To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

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We are back to hundreds of Gazans being killed each day after the so called ceasefire and over 50,000 now slaughtered, mostly women and children.
The bombing of hospitals, schools and 'safe zones' not being enough, they are now picking off paramedics. How much depravity is the world going to tolerate?

AIBU to suggest that the world leaders complicit in Netanyahu's genocide should all stand before the Hague?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

“So in your world, no country under attack should ever attack back then?”
In what sick world are the only attacks available war crimes?

“The jury has not yet convened on whether war crimes have taken place in this war btw.”
True, it’s not been legally proven in court that either Hamas or the IDF have committed war crimes but the ICC arrest warrants for 3 Hamas officials (since assassinated by Israel) and 2 Israeli officials for war crimes and crimes against humanity indicate that the International Criminal Court has sufficient evidence that some war crimes and crimes against humanity have indeed happened during the conflict.

Is relevant to the thread how? Do you think where lines get drawn on a map will stop the mass killings in Gaza?

I never said that she's wasn't a German citizen or of (half) European ethnicity. I simply pointed out that she was Israeli. Because apparently the ethnicity and nationality of a woman who was brutally murdered is so important to you.

Not as relevant as exactly how European and white Shani Louk was apparently.

I leave that for the courts to assess. Once arrest warrants are issued, as in the case of the ICC with Hamas and Israel, I feel comfortable asserting that war crimes and crimes against humanity have happened.

Are you worried there will be arrest warrants issued in the UK for the 10 British who fought in the IDF in Gaza that are accused of war crimes?

Riiight.

Some people suggest that a 2 state solution could happen. Do you think so? Two nation states peacefully co-existing, no more war , no more death and destruction (the subject of the thread).

What are you saying?

FFS you're the one who brought up her nationality. And yes I'm still "harping on" about how disgusting that is.

Sorry, but I think we need a ceasefire and for the UN to enforce it on both sides.
As to what happens next, what will work depends on the populace affected and whether they will submit to it. I used to think the traditional two state solution would work, but I have heard it is deeply unpopular in the region and every month of bombing and death have made it less likely to be given a chance.

I wasn’t the one who brought up her nationality or ethnicity. That was @Cris1976

So why not have a go at that poster then instead of me.

That’s my question for you really, as you said you think it is disgusting to mention a victim’s nationality and ethnicity when I wasn’t the one who brought it up. I don’t have any problems including it in the discussion. It is as pertinent as their religion.

I find is so bizarre when people keep saying this. Israelis are the ones that can't seem to stick to their boundaries. I mean it's just in the news today that they are planning on stealing Rafah too. You never hear pro Israel posters or indeed the majority of Israelis speaking out about the settlements and advocating for Israel to leave. Yet it's pro Palestinian posters that are constantly asked where the boundaries should be? Make it make sense.

True, why aren’t we asking where do you think the Syrian and Lebanese borders should be? Because Israel has literally moved military in and illegally built military bases within these countries.

Pertinent why? Why does it matter that her father was German?

I found the easiest way is to Google the MP and donor (eg, "Wes Streeting donation from Labour friends of Israel")

Oh yes - and I've found an entry for Wes Streeting funded by Medical Aid for Palestinians;

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/160307/streeting_wes.htm

And it would appear that Wes Streeting and a number of other MPs on your list are parliamentary supporters of Labour Friends of Palestine and the Middle East as well;

https://www.lfpme.co.uk/parliamentary-supporters

Yup, I wonder where they think the borders should be because the country that they are spending hours and hours defending online seems to think it should be where ever they choose. Weirdly they don't talk about those countries right to exist within their borders. That doesn't seem to matter, I wonder why

It's because to date Israel has not formally established internationally recognised borders with Syria and Lebanon. The only formal recognised borders established via treaty are with Egypt and Jordan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Wow!

Does it need to be proven in court that Hamas committed war crimes?

I mean they live-streamed themselves committing atrocities on Oct 7th.Their leaders hiding in Qatar said they’d do it again and again.

It’s not like they haven’t admitted it!

I suppose their defence could have been that it wasn’t actually them committing the atrocities, it was Gazan civilians, as that’s what most of them looked like?

Why have arrest warrants not been issued for al-Hayya, Jabarin, Meshal and Derwish do you think? All senior Hamas leaders.

The ICC warrants mean shit IMO (and to many others including the US government), seeing as the Chief Prosecutor has faced allegations of misconduct in office (allegations from before Oct 2023 from reports) and now intimidation which surely impedes his judgement. This rather discredits his position.

There are also allegations that the ICC prosecution was planned and facilitated by South Africa, in collaboration with Hamas, before the invasion and atrocities of Oct 7th even took place which poses the question of was the propaganda planned and created to fit their narrative, and were the deaths of large numbers of innocents deliberately engineered?

Hamas has proven they don’t care about any human life, they live only for their evil ideology and their cause and believe death is better than life, so no one should be surprised that they murdered their own civilians.

Israel has a lot more to lose by committing war crimes than they have.

What’s the point really of a 5 year truce when Hamas stated long term goal is the destruction of Israel? Put another massacre of Israeli civilians into the diary for 5 years time?

The Likud party, and this present Netanyahu government at its command, have the long term aim, which they are carrying out in the present, to have the entire land, including the West Bank and Gaza, as Israel.

But at least they didn’t suddenly start massacring Palestinian civilians out of the blue and without provocation?

That is why Israel could never trust Hamas again to keep any kind of truce.

Honestly don’t blame them. Israeli citizens will never be safe with Palestinians surrounding them.

People seem to forget all the suicide bombings, mass shootings, plane hijackings, cold blooded murders of families in their beds, massacre of an entire Olympics team, long BEFORE Oct 7th.

This shit has been going on since before Israel’s inception. The Palestinians have proven they will always be a liability and major risk to Israel’s security. They do not want peace. Any attempt to pretend they do now, after Oct 7th is a temporary smokescreen.

The Palestinian ‘cause’ was manufactured to try to destroy Israel after multiple Arab wars failed, through propaganda and Israel’s global demonisation, through a false perception of the abuse of poor, innocent Palestinians.

They need to be dispersed in back into Egypt and Jordan where the majority come from.