Why do you support Palestine?

[Wildflowers99]

After the horrific kidnapping of the Bibas family and the horrific murder of the mother and her two small children, the time has come to ask British supporters of Palestine why.

A significant number of Palestinians want Sharia law. This is not a conflict of politics to them - it’s a conflict of religion. Therefore, it’s simply a case of Islam must dominate no matter what. 4 in 10 support the attacks in October 2023, which was the mass rape, torture and murder of Israelis using the most psychopathic methods imaginable - not to mention the kidnappings.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now

While I am devastated by the killing of Gazan children in air strikes, and have always supported a ceasefire, I cannot support any advancing of the Palestinian state because I do not want to further a state with views such as those above.

So, please can I ask why you support Palestine as a state? I find it painful watching people blindly marching and demanding support for a state who are opposed to everything they stand for.

I would have targeted attacks at Hamas leaders. It may have taken more time, but it was achieved in certain cases. And could have been done, given the will.
I would not have dropped bombs on EVERY hospital in northern Gaza.
I would not have used starvation tactics and dropped bombs on EVERY bakery in the city.
I would not have sent messages to civilians telling them to leave their homes and go to 'Safe Areas' and then dropped bombs on the 'safe areas'.
I would not have cut off the water supply to a population of millions.
I would not have sent the army into the only university, cleared it and made it safe, then levelled it, ensuring the end of education for a decade to come.
I would not have instituted a policy of killing journalists in an attempt to keep a lot of the above secret.

I could go on, but they atrocities committed by Netanyahu should be a good reason for you to see that the status quo is not good for Palestine and why self-determination is a legitimate aim.

Firstly, line up Israeli armour on the border in order to secure it.
Secondly sit down and negotiate hostage release. All the evidence to date has shown that the only way to secure the release of any hostages has been through negotiation.
Thirdly, continue those talks as part of a wider negotiation as to the establishment of a Palestinian state ( alongside Israel) for a guarantee of security.

But Netanyahu does not want the establishment of a Palestinian state, cares little about the hostages and so chose another route.

Do you think he should believe the word of rapists, toddler torturers and hostage takers?

Well, he's obviously doing so now in order to get hostages back, why didn't he do so 15 months ago ?

And how well has that gone?

www.instagram.com/reel/DFckbK5qhJl/?igsh=MXNpaG1qeGJkc3d5dg==

Far better than what was going on in the 15 months before.

It really isn't that difficult to see.

Very interesting. Especially how detached he really does seem from his words

Can you imagine the psychological terror of knowing any time you go to bed that your children will be woken by a soldier throwing them into another room.

Disgusting.

Possibly because a third of Hamas are dead and they’ve put their own people through torture for the sake of their eternal revenge?

I think you're missing the point that I was making. The point being, that the current temporary ceasefire with the relatively low loss of life coupled with the negotiations over hostages, is preferable to anything that has been happening over the past 15 months.

Of course it is. But we’ve reached this point for a reason. Hamas wouldn’t be releasing hostages if the previous events since October 7th hadn’t happened, would they?

Hamas would have been prepared to negotiate October 8th. They knew then that they could make no further "gains" and that all that they faced from then onwards was bombardment and invasion. So it was in their interest to negotiate.
There was absolutely no mention whatsoever from Netanyahu about talks about hostage release. From the very start all he could see was his own response that involved yet more death and destruction.

I appreciate that the problem with negotiation is that it sends out a message that all you need to do is terrorise, take hostages and that will give you what you want. And the global line is that you don't "give in" to hostage taking because it will encourage other terrorist organisations with a grievance. It would have been a brave person to go against that thinking and to start talking. Netanyahu with his own agenda, was certainly not that kind of person and was happy to sacrifice other peoples lives for it.

And then what? What disincentivises Hamas from another October 7 if things had gone that way?

Seriously?!!!! Why don't you just say the quiet part out loud.

@AniBocha Seriously?!!!! Why don't you just say the quiet part out loud.

If I knew what the "quiet part" was, I might (if I agreed with it) say it.

Tell you what..... you tell me what the "quiet part" is, and I'll tell you if I am in agreement. Can't say fairer than that.

Thanks for this orange

His words ‘ the occupation is not about security it is about control’ coming from a member of the Israeli forces on the ground.

That is why people support the Palestinians..to stop them being controlled by another country.

The date that he states is interesting on that video.

You support Israel who are committing genocide and have killed tens of thousands of children and left babies to die in incubators. The death of the bibas children is tragic. Why is the death of themselves of thousands of Palestinian children any less tragic ?

Thank you for sharing. The video articulates how people blindly follow orders without really thinking of those they harm. At least he thought retrospectively of the poor Palestinian families. History seems littered with this, and nothing changes.

There’s plenty of evidence that the IDF have raped and tortured civilians , many Palestinians held hostage without trial yet you expect us to believe what they say

I don’t support Israel’s military tactics/war crimes, and I’ve said from the beginning I fully support an ICC investigation into Netanyahu’s actions. But I do not support the Palestinian ‘cause’, no.

It’s not a matter of favouring a “cause” particularly if you state international law is important and Netanyahu’s actions should be investigated. You can’t remove land from people just because you perceive they have different values from you. I don’t see the right’s of people through a religious lens or on the basis of their political views.

Please be clear- are you suggesting ethnic cleansing of Gaza @Wildflowers99 ?

You can’t remove land from people just because you perceive they have different values from you.

Apart from that’s really not what’s happened, is it?

Please be clear- are you suggesting ethnic cleansing of Gaza

No, because that’s an absolutist position. I believe if Palestinians could be trusted not to commit acts of violence against Israel, then they should be entitled to self govern. But that won’t happen in a million years, so the options are continued warfare or the Palestinians moving to another Muslim country. Which would you choose? And don’t waffle on about hoping for peace and a 2 state solution, because 50 years of negotiation involving the most talented diplomats have not managed it.

@Wildflowers99 What about all the acts of violence Israel commits against the Palestinians? Israel is hardly the innocent party here.