Gaza death toll rises to close to 62000 as missing added

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/3/gaza-death-toll-rises-close-to-62000-as-missing-added

The new death toll includes 17,881 children, including 214 newborn infants.

At least 1,155 medical personnel, 205 journalists and 194 civil defence workers are reported to have been killed.

More than 2million people have been displaced and 111,588 people injured.

Blah blah blah.

I am afraid this doesn’t make me defensive. I don’t care. Most sensible people think the same way. Only protected, cosseted middle class types on MN who this could never happen to sit here pontificating and judging other people’s tragedies and claim how they’d remain on the moral high ground no matter what. You’ll never have to find out how you’d react and what you’d wish for in this instance Will you?

62,000 people. 62 thousand.

"You’ll never have to find out how you’d react and what you’d wish for in this instance..."

I very much hope nobody else on here, or anywhere, has to experience the murder, maiming, abduction, terrorising and oppression of their friends, family or colleagues. We shouldn't assume nobody has, though. This is an internationally used site, and there are indeed a number of people using it who have been and continue to be personally affected by this conflict and others.

not really?
100/5 is 20
49 is similar to Gaza once you remove Hamas members. However it’s in 20 years. So way lower than Gaza
sudan yes

don’t believe you.

That’s your problem not mine.

ps. A deal to return the hostages was dismissed not long after the war started by netanhayu

214 newborns. Think that’s the number that has hit me the most. 214 innocent newborn babies

I would NEVER say 'blah blah blah' about the appalling deaths and kidnapping conducted by Hamas on the 7th October.
What on earth makes you think you have the right to trivialise 62,000 deaths on Gaza?
Israel has lost the moral high ground in this war. You have lost it on this thread.

It's not only numbers. It's also the ratio of deaths looking at the population size. For which @SummerFeverVenice is right.

I don’t support the Israeli government approach.
My point is simply that Hamas are also responsible for the terrible death toll

Looking at the civilian : combatant ratios, the deaths : population size ratios, and proportions of children killed is all horrifying.

Knowing how tragic the conflict has been for their own people would Hamas maybe regret their actions on 7th Oct. I'd bet the answer would be no. They likely do it again if they could, hence the need to ensure they don't run gaza again.

However, with their posturing at hostage release and their cheers of support they don't appear to be going anywhere soon. The other terrorist group is apparently worse (is that possible) so much of the same then for gaza, run by terrorists for their own ends and profits. If the people were able to vote are there any moderates who might come forward or just hamas or plj?

Edited to change plo to plj. So many different terrorist organisations involved.

No I was asking them to be specific about the Hamas propaganda they were accusing the poster of falling for. No need for the sarcastic eye roll

The idea that 17,000 children, from a population of 2 million, have been killed in 15 months is horrific, a generation wiped out. I cannot understand how people can begin to think that is ok and I am well aware that the figure is likely to rise

No idea why you threw in that random link which had nothing to do with the point we were discussing, on whether the IDF attempted to mitigate deaths in Gaza.

No I didn't view it I don't open links on here unless they are msm ones. If the footage is genuine, which I have no way of verifying, I wouldn't call that acceptable parenting no. But like I said no idea what it had to do with any of what we had been discussing

What ceasefire agreememt could have been agreed on 8th October? What a ridiculous suggestion. If Hamas invades and take hostages and Israel agree to their demands what do you think happens next? Certainly not security for Israel. No government on earth would have capitulated in 8 October.

Such a stupid ceasefire agreement that would have returned most of the hostages alive

No it wouldn't. Hamas has only ever agreed to return hostages in dribs and drabs in return for hundreds of Palestinians, many of whom are known terrorists and murderers.

What is this mythical ceasefire agreement? What were the details of the deal? You think the psychopaths of Hamas would have come up with an acceptable deal on 8 October having just gone to all that trouble to murder, torture, rape & kidnap so many people?

Exactly. Their intention was to draw it out as long as possible to get some of their leaders & footsoldiers out of prison and exact maximum psychological terror on Israelis.

“by holding onto hostages (including many children)
This cannot be serious.”

To be honest I would quite like to know what you meant by this comment referring to the child hostages abducted by Hamas?
Why did you say “ This cannot be serious “ when I mentioned them?
Surely you can see that the ongoing trauma of the hostage situation has contributed to the terror and violence

I don’t think anyone thinks it’s ok .

I do think some people do

I think that's what we would like to think. There are most definitely people who think it's not only ok but what they deserve.

I haven't heard a single person say it's ok. Everyone knows it's awful. I've no idea why you keep trying to put words into people's mouths like that.

Some on this thread are simply saying that the awful death toll is laid firstly at Hamas' door.