Gaza death toll rises to close to 62000 as missing added

[Lalaloveya]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/3/gaza-death-toll-rises-close-to-62000-as-missing-added

The new death toll includes 17,881 children, including 214 newborn infants.

At least 1,155 medical personnel, 205 journalists and 194 civil defence workers are reported to have been killed.

More than 2million people have been displaced and 111,588 people injured.

1. I didn't mean to imply you denied the savagery of Israel. You seem to normally straddle a "both sides" narrative that favours Israel but acknowledges some of their attocities as bad behaviour. My comment was a general observation.

1. As I said before, I blame the people who carry out the killings for the lives they take. It's the norm in every other conflict.

Well if we’re going to trade observations… You seem very one sided - determined to cast Israel in as bad a light as possible and always reluctant to consider that Hamas bears any blame.

I note your reluctance to refer to the “savagery” of Hamas

@Lalaloveya
The idea that I refer to “atrocities” as “bad behaviour “ is a particularly nasty slur.
Can you provide any examples?

Israel are doing that all by themselves I'm afraid. What with all the atrocities.

And for the third time, I blame the people doing the killing for those killings. It's not complicated.

If someone tried to defend Hamas atrocities by saying Israel's occupation and brutality over many decades meant that they were in fact culpable, I would say the same thing.

This thread is about the 62000 people Israel killed.

You edited your post. I'm not a bit reluctant. Hamas atrocities are savage. Both sides are savages. Both sides. Is that OK?

🙄 I really can’t be bothered with you. You just want to rant ..

I'm foolishly answering your questions. You might not like the answers. You can stop engaging with me any time.

By that metric, the Israelis also did not care about the hostages - bombing as they did.

Nethanyahu had his son sit out the war on a beach in Miami with Israeli security making sure he was ok.

I am serious.

But I will leave it.

Any comment on the audio of the man happy for his children to become martyrs? Is that acceptable parenting to you?

I always wonder at people like you. If that had happened to your child as they attended a festival or your child and grandchildren were slaughtered in their homes in the most brutal ways imaginable, or over a year on were still being held hostage by those who carried it out, would you be so keen to brush it aside and for your country to just let it go? Because if you say you would I just won't believe you I am afraid.

I don't believe you are well versed in military history at all, because what you are saying is incorrect. There have been quite a few conflicts since ww2 that have resulted in more civilian deaths than this one. Iraq. Afghanistan. South Sudan. I haven't got time to link but a 5m google will set you right.

One of the unique features of this war has been the amount of coverage given and the willingness of Hamas to use footage of victims and trauma as propaganda. But then their aim was never to 'win' the war, just to garner more sympathy for their cause and more hatred of Israel.

Someone posted a while back accusing me of considering Hamas evil masterminds. I do consider them that. And the constant refusal on these boards to admit Hamas' culpability in the carnage of the last year is exactly what Hamas was hoping for.

eye for eye? Do you think that solves conflicts?

Iraq 100k in 5 years
Afghanistan 49 in 20 years
sudan 400k in 7 years

numbers obtained via a 5 min google search as you mention

gaza 62k in 2 years

I've lost some people I care about in some pretty horrific ways, as well as there still being people whose fates I don't know, as well as knowing children left scarred for life and families torn apart by this. I don't think the way to have justice and peace is to kill more thousands of innocent people.

No, but I’ll ask you, if that had happened to your child/grand child/mother/father - slaughtered in their homes, taken hostage where they remain, would you be happy for your country to not engage in any kind of conflict to get them back?

HAMAS are vicious, stubborn sub humans and the Gazans - who voted for them and who are so troublesome that their own Arab and Muslim neighbours won’t help them, are the ones who pay the price.

Within law. Not by killing innocent civilians and children. Nothing will take my child back so id not wish the same to another family.

i wont justify what Hamas did. I agree with you. But same way I won’t justify what Netanhayu had done to Palestinians. It’s as abhorrent

And if they were a hostage?

what have hostages families done? I believe many of them aren’t happy with the way netanhayu has used their families for their political benefit and have demonstrated against him. They have asked for a ceasefire and a deal for a long time. Most of the hostages have been returned alive as part of a ceasefire agreement.

this could have been done on 8th of October and more hostages would be alive

You didn’t directly answer. It’s ok, no one ever does.

Id behave like the families of these hostages. No I’d not wish a war that killed 62k civilians.

So you agree the numbers for those conflicts were higher then.

War brings catastrophic civilian suffering, especially when it takes place in extremely densely populated areas and where no provision has been made for sheltering civilians.

And Hamas bought this war on their people.

I cannot fathom why people can't accept this... it's almost as if people sympathize with Hamas, but that surely can't be the case?

Even if they’d slaughtered your family and took your children hostage. You’d be calling for a peace deal on 8th which HAMAS had no interest in btw. So what then, leave your children there, don’t do anything, just wait for it all subside, Israel needs to just get over it and sit tight till HAMAS decide to hand them back. I don’t believe you.

There is a wide range of options available between 'do nothing' and what is currently happening.