Gaza death toll rises to close to 62000 as missing added

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/3/gaza-death-toll-rises-close-to-62000-as-missing-added

The new death toll includes 17,881 children, including 214 newborn infants.

At least 1,155 medical personnel, 205 journalists and 194 civil defence workers are reported to have been killed.

More than 2million people have been displaced and 111,588 people injured.

Posting Al Jazeera links just makes this a one sided conversation.

Oh please that ones been done already and hasn't been proven, try harder

What does military action within the limits of international law look like? It looks like acting within the framework of international law, with minimal instances of overt violations and disproportionality. It includes appropriate treatment of civilians, combatants and people detained in the course of military action. It includes refraining from acts such as those constituting collective punishment. There are multitudes of reports of disproportionality, targeting of groups which should not be targeted (eg children), collective punishment, etc. Some of these have evidence or claims of senior authorisation or of being accepted as standard practice, while others are reports of actions by soldiers acting more independently but with the view that their actions would be excused or condoned, or at least have minimal repercussions if found out.

I can't find a western media report on the 15,000 additional dead Palestinians, unbelievably. I guess it's not big news.

The source reporting the information doesn't change the facts though. Which is 62,000 killed in Gaza.

from the get go (I assume you mean the beginning?) Israel's existence depends on Palestinian land
Does that mean andIsaid you do not believe that the State of Israel should exist at all and that all the land should revert back to pre 1947?
And once again, in what capacity are you in the company of Israeli army staff?

I cant be bothered to check your US figure but most US aid goes straight to maintaining the iron dome. There is no evidence at all that if Israel didn't 'interfere' Palestinians would be able to 'turn it around'. Hamas is in charge. They are funded by a whole range of external groups & governments whose aim is to destroy Israel. Oct 7th tells us exactly what happens when Israel lets its guard down. I do believe a solution could be possible but it wont ever happen if we pretend that only Israel bears any responsibility for the situation

Liv999 It's a fact that Palestinian prisoners in jails in Israel are there because they are deemed to have done something illegal. Throwing stones may seem like nothing to you but having experienced this happening to me once I can assure you it's no fun being target practice.
In no way are Palestinian prisoners 'hostages'. I suggest you look the word up in a dictionary.

I understand international law. I was pointimg out the complete imbalance in hostage/prisoner exchange. But what Im really interested in is how do Palestinians free themselves from Hamas and why is the so-called Pro-Palestinian movement so uninterested in doing it?

It's also a fact that some of them are there just by raising a Palestinian flag, some of them children, most of them detained without a trial, eventually released without ever having been charged with anything, maybe you should look into that some more

FFS - your got ya style is very annoying to me.

in the company of Israeli army staff - it is a style thing - as in, I am not alone thinking this, Israeli army staff, from top generals on down are protesting the nature and manner of this war.

I am not providing links to back up my claims - it is very well documented.

Does that mean andIsaid you do not believe that the State of Israel should exist at all and that all the land should revert back to pre 1947?

I never said that. You extrapolated.

@LetThereBeLove - you and I have very different styles of discussion so I won't be answering you anymore.

I wish you well.

andIsaid Your reply about your engaging with Israeli army personnel makes absolutely no sense at all. Are you making stuff up as you go along as it sure reads that way.
I asked a genuine question about whether you believe the Israeli state should go back to pre 1947 - that was no 'extrapolation' at all.
Different 'styles' of discussion? This is a forum - there is no one type of discussion.

There is no evidence at all that if Israel didn't 'interfere' Palestinians would be able to 'turn it around'.

Well of course there is no evidence because it has never happened.

Oct 7th tells us exactly what happens when Israel lets its guard down.
Yes it does.

But Gaza is basically a prison, the largest n earth, entirely controlled by Israel. As long as that situation exists Oct 7th will always be around the corner.

Hamas is in charge. They are funded by a whole range of external groups & governments whose aim is to destroy Israel.
Now yes, but they got their seed money from Nethanyahu.

There is no evidence at all that if Israel didn't 'interfere' Palestinians would be able to 'turn it around'

On this point again - we said the Irish were ignorant, drunken, lying terrorist bastards until quite recently. The Indians were, according to Churchill, beastly people with a beastly religion. We sent them into famine a few times while most of our current aristo families made or consolidated fortunes.

Canadians (basically us) hated the indigenous so much they had a government policy of separation of families and induced alcoholism.
Ditto Australians (basically us).
Can't even start with the Americans (also us).
Or South Africans.
Recent history is not much better.

My point being that rapacious nations always claim that they are the victims while actually, they create terrible conditions for the locals, usually around their desire to own the territory, the resources or both.

We all need to face it.

So, in this conflict, it is my opinion that Israel is UK/USA/South Africa/Canadian/ side of things.

They throw stones, your chaps use snipers.

To kill children.

Proud of the lovely IDF?

Hamas (in the name of Palestinians) use rockets. Proud of lovely terrorists are you?

You know nothing about me so please dont use 'US' to refer to me.

Your analysis is fundamentally flawed and spectacularly simplistic because Israel and Jewish people are part of the region. The Jewish nation of Israel goes back 1000s of years. Israel is not equivalent to the modern nations of United States, Australia or Canada. Until you can grasp that this conversation wont go anywhere.

so in this kind of conflict did you deliberately miss out Russia's 'expansion' programme in Ukraine?
Meanwhile this thread is going way off topic.

Your reply about your engaging with Israeli army personnel makes absolutely no sense at all. Are you making stuff up as you go along as it sure reads that way.

@LetThereBeLove You don't seem to be able to comprehend what they're saying.

I am in the company of .......in this belief. Means they are of the same belief as these people, in this case the Israeli army staff and Israeli citizens who have denounced war crimes.

You know nothing about me so please dont use 'US' to refer to me.

I meant "us" as in British, not us, as in you and me.

Fair enough though, I did assume. I apologize.

Israel does go back 1,000s of years there as do the Palestinians.

Good Im glad you recognise the Jewish people go back 1000s years. So why are you characterising them as settler colonialists and Palestinians as indigenous,to follow your US etc analogy

Hamas are a terrorist organisation.
1200 people including non Israelis butchered on one day 7 October (including children and babies.) That's not counting the deaths of hostages as Hamas won't say how many or who have died.
This war is not a competition so stop trying to make it one.

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andIsaid I'm sure all our forebears of all three Abrahamic faiths would be interested to learn that Israel only came into being in 1948. Archaeologists galore would tell you how wrong you are and that there is plenty of evidence that the indigenous Jewish people lived in Israel long ago.