Gaza death toll rises to close to 62000 as missing added

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/3/gaza-death-toll-rises-close-to-62000-as-missing-added

The new death toll includes 17,881 children, including 214 newborn infants.

At least 1,155 medical personnel, 205 journalists and 194 civil defence workers are reported to have been killed.

More than 2million people have been displaced and 111,588 people injured.

The terrorists using them as human shields and waging a war on a country trying to live in peace until their people were raped and murdered at a music festival and in their own homes, grandmothers and babies rounded up from their beds and houses set on fire and shot in front of loved ones.

Two words - Seventh October
one more word - hostages

I mean it's a pointless question really isn't it? Of course I've seen Gaza recently. I'm here on this thread and I'm interested in this conflict.

Gaza is in ruins. People have lost their homes, loved ones, they're sick, they're hungry, they're traumatized, it's a fucking disaster.

So, Hamas, was it worth it? All this sorrow, loss, hatred etc? Has it improved the life of Gazans?

We might ask ourselves if Hamas even has the best interests of Gazans in mind when planning atrocities?

Terrorist organizations believe in the "the worse the better". The harder the situation is for their people the more support they will have from them. Humans only support the mainstream parties when things are easier. Iran must have been delighted too. I find it hard to accept that they (Iran) didn´t know they weren´t dealing with mainstream israelis, but with a far right government sold out to Jewish extremists. Hamas is just a bunch of fanatics frothing at the mouth for committing murders, kidnappings and rapes, and they poked a very well armed unscrupulous, revengeful sleeping dog. But were too stupid to think it through. Neither give a damn about Gazans and never did.

Exactly, Hamas still there probably stronger than ever

Yes, this, I should have said.
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Yes. How do you think things will improve with Hamas still in charge?

We could ask the same about Israel though? 62,000 people murdered and Hamas still going strong?

Agree. Total fucking disaster. No discernable gains on either side.
We only disagree on where the blame most lies.

How do you make out that they are stronger than ever? Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas all weakened. Military capability reduced.In what sense are they stronger?

We are constantly told on here that ordinary civilisns dont support them. So it cant be tbat their popular support is stronger. Or, are you saying that they are really popular in Gaza? Is that the area where they are stronger than ever?

I said probably, they are weakened for now obviously, but Israel promised to eradicate them which they haven't done, so I'm presuming they will rise again, Hatred breeds hatred don't you know?

I assume this concerns you. Can you point me to the movement to bring democracy to Gaza? Any PSC meetings addressing how to get rid of Hamas, PIJ etc? How to stop that cycle of hatred? It would be really interesting to hear how those so intimately connected propose to move forward.

Military action within the limits of international law, avoiding commission of acts consistent with crimes against humanity. Negotiations for safe return of hostages and longer term stability and security.

But what does that look like in practice? Just one example, Israel has had to release many convicted murderers and terrorists for each completely innocent hostage. Hamas is still in charge. How does Israel ensure Oct 7 cant happen again? How do the Palestinian people release themselves from Hamas?

I think that’s the really important question.
Im not sure what the answer is.

Don't forget Israel also released some completely innocent Palestinian hostages, they were not all terrorists

Who said innocent people were responsible. Your reply doesn't even address my comment. Strange

Its very very hard. What IS truly amazing is that you hardly ever see anyone talking about it. Very happy to be corrected on that too.

So?

You mentioned Israel released many terrorists and murderers, you forgot many innocent hostages too

They are not classed as hostages. I didn't forget them. They were not relevant to my point.

I doubt they are stronger than ever, as you ascertain. They might posture for their fans during a ceasefire when they are safe and pop their clean uniforms on and come out. Notice the covered faces.

Many of the important leaders in Hamas are dead. Hezbollah seriously weakened so unable to stop the overthrow in Syria. Hezbollah weakened in Lebanon too. Iran who fund the whole bunch of terrorists knows how weakened they are so stayed very quiet. Yes they will regroup if they are allowed to govern again and probably think they can try a similar terrorist attack again. Israel know that.

The best hope for the people of gaza is no hamas but they are clinging on. If people really cared about Gaza they'd want Hamas gone and a more moderate government there. However it doesn't appear too much effort or progress in that direction. The people also need to want hamas gone.

It has been discussed many times on these threads what the future holds for Gaza not sure how you've managed to miss it. I don't remember even one poster suggesting Hamas were their future. It might surprise you to know that there's unlikely to be any counter terrorist experts here but there are enough examples to draw on to know that terrorism is rarely defeated if ever by the gun or the bomb. Absolutely a military strategy is important to protect civilians but that alone won't work. Political and military intelligence, social integration (stop dehumanising, othering people) and economic development and prosperity (stop occupying).

Hamas started it.

Israel responded - with extreme brutality.

Israeli government, IDF, and Hamas are savage entities, slaughtering civilians in their blood thirst.

None of them are fit for purpose.