Can Hamas remain in charge?

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So we have a ceasefire but will it last with Hamas remaining in charge of Gaza? There may be attempts for more moderate governance such as the. PA to take over but will they succeed?

The problem with Hamas still existing as a governing power is that Gaza may not attract international. investment for reconstruction and surely that is required for the Palestinian people to live reasonable lives?

More worryingly is that Hamas still has a great deal of support in Gaza and I think the media has glossed over the Palestinians who still feel the war needs to continue and Hamas represent some kind of righteous cause (which is bizarre). The media have had plenty of quotes from Palestinains wanting peace but for balance I think there should be acknowledgment there will be many who wish revenge on Israel and there is still the latent possibility of another October 7th st some point. As Blinken pointed out there are more Hamas fighters now than at the start and this does indicate there is a section of Paelstinain society who at heart out their hatred of Israelis above a lasting prosperous peace.

@statsfun I think it is vital that the Palestinians, international community, neighbouring countries and Israel all work together to find some political solution that will give them this hope as it is the only chance of lasting peace, but it will be incredibly difficult. Even the rebuilding of Gaza will take generations - they've lost everything. As someone outside the region looking in it is hard for me to see a positive future, but how much more difficult must it be for people who have been displaced multiple times, lost their homes and livelihoods and watched their loved ones die. My friends in Gaza had a good life before - well educated (including internationally), nice home, good job - they're now living in a tent with their home and place of work destroyed. It'll be years before they are back on their feet, and they are more fortunate than some in that they have professional qualifications and haven't lost any very close family members. They're really struggling to think positively of the future and who would blame them? I don't in any way condone violence, but there has to be a really strong plan to offer Palestinians an alternative they can believe in.

@SharonEllis you're describing compensation, like the kind everyone gets when a family member dies.

I'm not Israeli or Jewish.

The pp's question was basically 'if you were Palestinian, wouldn't you continue the terrorism?'

And my answer is no.

Continuing terrorism gives them a worse future.

Regardless of what anyone else does or has done.

And that can be applied to Israel too ?

Of course, I know. You made a disturbing allegation that women have children, just so they get money. Again, can you provide evidence for this?
You also appear not to understand the meaning of martyrdom in the Islamic faith.
Finally, the money is compensation for a loss, not a reward.
https://www.dawateislami.net/magazine/en/hadees-with-explanation/types-of-martyrs

I can't even imagine what your friends are going through. The horrors they have to endure every single day. I sincerely hope that they stay safe.

For Israel, the risk of no longer maintaining defences (eg controlling borders to reduce weapons coming in, not permitting Palestinian armed forces in Gaza and WB) is high.

Higher than the benefit to them of slightly happier neighbours.

To Palestinians, the risk of stopping terrorism is zero.

This is pragmatic, not ideological.

Edit: changed happy to happier. Since many Palestinians want Israel completely gone, Israel can't achieve all Palestinians being completely happy (and guaranteed to stop terrorism), only happier

How well does Israel do in stopping settler terrorism? Judging by last night's scenes of more burning Palestinian villages, not very well.

Yes, whatever one thinks of Israel this is quite clearly correct. The Palestinian terrorist approach is making things worse for their people, not better. There are times when terrorism has worked in other situations, yep. This is not one of them.

The lunatic fringe Israelis like Smotrich and Ben Gvir also worsen the situation and would be similarly well advised to pack it in. They also have more agency than the average Palestinian.

I'm not Israeli or Jewish either.

@statsfun Oh Israel has really happy neighbours now. I am sure the Palestinians must be so thankful and trusting of Israel after their success of getting rid of Hamas and suppression of their own Israeli terrorists.
What a shining beacon of Western ideals Israel is

"Though the risk from air strikes is gone, for now, the grim work continues for the remaining Civil Defence workers. Pictures shared with the BBC by members of the agency in northern Gaza on Monday showed them performing harrowing work, including the recovery of dead babies and of human remains in poor condition.
"In every street there are dead. In every neighbourhood there are people under the buildings," said Abdullah Al-Majdalawi, a 24-year-old Civil Defence worker in Gaza City."

'In every street there are dead': Gaza rescuers reckon with scale of destruction - BBC News

Well known.
The Palestinian Authority introduced this policy in 2004 then amended it almost a decade later.

They spend $300 million on it annually.
Yep.

The ignoring of Israeli terrorism from people is astonishing. There is this oh but they are just settlers, we don't condone them but what can you do attitude from people surrounding it. There is no empathy at all for the victims of Israeli settler terrorism. An average of 4 incidences of settler violence every day in the West Bank or 4 Israeli settler terrorist attacks each and every day how ever you want to phrase it over the past year. This is not a minor issue. This is not something that their Palestinian victims can ignore. Terrorism from settlers is entrenched in society there and sadly it is growing and there seems to be no efforts at all from Israeli government to curb the rampant terrorism of their citizens.

I note you don't deny that Hamas wears civilian clothing during war.

Meanwhile, the Martyr's Fund is well documented: Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund - Wikipedia (there's a section on Hamas payments)

Absolute nonsense. Ive never seen anyone on this board say 'oh they are just settlers' - I don't even know what that means. The settlers are regularly condemned, including by me. I also condemn the Israrli governmnent for protecting them.

Not really though, it is brushed over. The damage that 4 Israeli settler terrorist attacks a day does to people is never acknowledged. The fact that Palestinians have no right to defend themselves from terrorist attacks is never acknowledged. Pro Israel posters never go in deep to what it actually means for Palestinians to live amongst virulent Israeli terrorists who are backed by the Israeli government. Yeah you condemn it but you never really acknowledge what it means. That's what I mean by we don't condone them but what you can do attitude. I've never seen a suggestion from a pro Israeli poster as to how these terrorists are going to be removed. I asked, I think it was you straight out the other day when you complained that there was no international support how you think other countries could support this removal and you never replied.

Just to add we are told all the time that apartheid, occupation, shootings, bombings, collective punishment is because of terrorism. Israel have no choice because of the terrorists next door. Palestinians have to live with Israeli settler terrorists who have forced themselves into their homes and onto their land. They have to live with 4 terrorist attacks a day from people living in their homes. Yet I never see the same people talk about what they feel is acceptable for Palestinians to do in response. How they feel Palestinians right to defend themselves should be enacted, what is it Palestinians can do in response to the terrorist that force their way among them that won't make Israel lock them up or kill them? Do you have an answer to that?

@NoisyBear I think it is pointless reasonable posters responding to you.
You absolve Palestinians from any blame and sympathise with Hamas.

Does Israel have any right to exist in your opinion? I suspect you would favor a 1 state solution that ended the, in your mind, 'occupation', am I wrong?

I'd prefer that you didn't resort to baseless accusations. I have been vocal about my dislike for Hamas on this board. I have also been vocal in my thoughts that there are 2 sides who both been acting appalling with innocent civillians bearing the brunt. If that poster doesn't want to answer my question I'm sure she will just not do it as she has done in past.

Im a bit aghast that you appear to be blaming the Palestinian victims of Israeli settler terrorists with your 'you absolve Palestinians from any blame statement' on my post talking about Palestinian victims of terrorism but I'm sure you won't go into that any further.

Of course Israel has a right to exist. And I would prefer to see a two state solution. Israel leaving the OPT and ending their collective punishment of Palestinians would be ending the occupation. So yes, you are very wrong.

My Dad died recently - who do I ask for the compensation?

@SharonEllis whoever he took his life insurance out with

@SharonEllis unfortunately I don't think Bupa and Axa PPP operate in the Gaza Strip 😕

On this occasion, I'm happy to be wrong. Where would the borders be in your two state solution? What counts as OPT and what can be Israel? Do Hamas stay in charge of Gaza? If so, how can Israel deal with their neighbors' commitment to destroy them?

Google the OPT. No I don't think Hamas should be in charge but ultimately if they are a sovereign state then we have no more right to tell Palestinians who they can have in charge than we do Israel. How can Palestinians do a deal when Israeli terrorists are committed to destroying them, that is the settlers aim isn't it(and those settlers are protected and encouraged by the Israeli government) ? This is my issue. The lack of acknowledgment that that there are terrorists on both sides committed to mutual destruction, that there are 2 sides behaving disgustingly.

It would have to involve a lot of talking and a trust from all involved really wouldnt it? But if nothing changes then civillians in both Israel and the OPT continue to suffer.