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Conflict in the Middle East

Can Hamas remain in charge?

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mids2019 · 18/01/2025 06:23

So we have a ceasefire but will it last with Hamas remaining in charge of Gaza? There may be attempts for more moderate governance such as the. PA to take over but will they succeed?

The problem with Hamas still existing as a governing power is that Gaza may not attract international. investment for reconstruction and surely that is required for the Palestinian people to live reasonable lives?

More worryingly is that Hamas still has a great deal of support in Gaza and I think the media has glossed over the Palestinians who still feel the war needs to continue and Hamas represent some kind of righteous cause (which is bizarre). The media have had plenty of quotes from Palestinains wanting peace but for balance I think there should be acknowledgment there will be many who wish revenge on Israel and there is still the latent possibility of another October 7th st some point. As Blinken pointed out there are more Hamas fighters now than at the start and this does indicate there is a section of Paelstinain society who at heart out their hatred of Israelis above a lasting prosperous peace.

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Liv999 · 20/01/2025 15:09

Menstrualcycledisplayteam · 20/01/2025 11:41

That Hamas are scum, and that they'll never stop until Israel are allowed to eradicate them completely.

And before anyone asks "eradicate them completely" means wiping out every last one.

How do you think they'll do that without also completely eradicating the Palestinian population?

Zonder · 20/01/2025 17:08

Pebblesonthebeach40 · 20/01/2025 14:28

Follow the conversation. We ate talking about which prisoners or detainees are better released for the people of Gaza. Terrorists and murderers in the 1000 or do or detainees?

I was following the conversation. I replied directly to one post in it.

Not all the Palestinians are terrorists. We know that many of the 90 just released had no case against them. Other than not being Israeli.

SpunkyCritic · 20/01/2025 17:22

mollyfolk · 19/01/2025 19:56

@mids2019

As Blinken pointed out there are more Hamas fighters now than at the start and this does indicate there is a section of Paelstinain society who at heart out their hatred of Israelis above a lasting prosperous peace.

Maybe you need to think about it differently. We are talking about people who have been starved, bombed and maimed, lost their schools, hospitals, homes, businesses and agricultural land. Where every family has lost a loved one. Where thousands of children will live their lives without a limb. You can see how this ongoing trauma will grow hate and ultimately terrorism.

Blinken said an awful lot more than that in the issue. The US have been saying that Israel risk driving more Palestinian's towards Hamas with the war since quite early on. blinken lays down a path to peace in the speech you are referencing where he points out that if you don't fill the void and offer a peaceful political path to a Palestinian state and security, safety and prosperity then the growth of Hamas or an even darker monster is inevitable.

Are you saying Palestinians think that Hamas is good for them?

SpunkyCritic · 20/01/2025 17:24

Thornybush · 20/01/2025 02:52

Because there are a lot more Hamas prisoners than Israeli ones.

You really think this is why??

SpunkyCritic · 20/01/2025 17:31

It is beyond naive, just plain stupid to think that Hamas do not want convicted terrorists released to continue their campaign of hate.
These will be released in the later stages, after the World has seen the women released.
Where is the outrage for this? Why aren't people mad that a terror organisation is wanting murderers released?
Surely if you care about Palestine you wouldn't want this??

SpunkyCritic · 20/01/2025 17:34

missdeamenor · 20/01/2025 10:58

SharonEllis: 'I think its really, really strange that people that style themselves pro-Palestinian are so incurious about how Hamas treats their own people.' You've made some brilliant points Sharon.

I pray that Palestinians will be brave enough to rise up and see them for what they are. Have watched many documentaries, and it's so sad to see little children saying they want to be martyrs when they grow up.

Exactly.
People only seem to be concerned about what Israel has done rather than what is actually going on in Palestine and how they are governed.

Pebblesonthebeach40 · 20/01/2025 18:47

SpunkyCritic · 20/01/2025 17:31

It is beyond naive, just plain stupid to think that Hamas do not want convicted terrorists released to continue their campaign of hate.
These will be released in the later stages, after the World has seen the women released.
Where is the outrage for this? Why aren't people mad that a terror organisation is wanting murderers released?
Surely if you care about Palestine you wouldn't want this??

Agree

stomachamelon · 20/01/2025 21:48

Surely if you care about Palestine you wouldn't want this??

@SpunkyCritic absolutely.

Fordian · 20/01/2025 22:20

As long as the blue haired and black shrouded recognise that when Hamas attack Israel again, as they will, Israel has the right to flatten Gaza.

upinaballoon · 20/01/2025 22:45

SpunkyCritic · 20/01/2025 17:22

Are you saying Palestinians think that Hamas is good for them?

Did Palestinians once, some years ago, vote Hamas into power - 10 years or so ago?

Lemoonada · 20/01/2025 22:54

This post and its replies are so unhinged

Zonder · 20/01/2025 23:11

upinaballoon · 20/01/2025 22:45

Did Palestinians once, some years ago, vote Hamas into power - 10 years or so ago?

Mostly no.

Whatsinanamehey · 20/01/2025 23:32

Fordian · 20/01/2025 22:20

As long as the blue haired and black shrouded recognise that when Hamas attack Israel again, as they will, Israel has the right to flatten Gaza.

WTH??

BelleHathor · 20/01/2025 23:46

Whatsinanamehey · 20/01/2025 23:32

WTH??

Exactly, when people ask how did Gvir, Smotrich et al get elected, that attitude is how.

mollyfolk · 20/01/2025 23:48

stomachamelon · 20/01/2025 21:48

Surely if you care about Palestine you wouldn't want this??

@SpunkyCritic absolutely.

But what's the alternative?

This is what Israel agreed to, Hamas agreed to and the deal that was brokered by the US and Qatar. This was what was possible. It stops the fighting and gets the hostages home.

Oodiks · 20/01/2025 23:59

caringcarer · 20/01/2025 01:06

I don't really understand why dozens of Hamas prisoners have to be released for each single Israeli prisoner. Does anyone know why this is?

Considering that Hamas could have ended this by surrendering and giving up the hostages and now call it a victory despite the huge loss of Palestinian lives, gives some idea of how valuable Hamas considers Palestinian lives.

Enough4me · 21/01/2025 00:05

Is there a clear-cut divide between Hamas and the people who live in Palestine?
Hamas live in Palastine with their families?

Oodiks · 21/01/2025 00:25

Enough4me · 21/01/2025 00:05

Is there a clear-cut divide between Hamas and the people who live in Palestine?
Hamas live in Palastine with their families?

It's tricky because during the war Hamas military wear civilian clothing, but after the ceasefire a great many men seem to be wearing military wear. Hamas is also the government and controls aid to civilians. Also, Hamas encourages women to have children that can grow up to be martyrs and pays them if their children are martyred or imprisoned.

Not all Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, but I suspect very few would say they did not as Hamas is so deeply embedded in their culture.

Alwayslookonthe · 21/01/2025 00:54

Former Knesset member Haneen Zoabi at a demonstration in support of Hamas and October 7th massacre makes it clear.

”It is not Hamas who are resisting. It is the Palestinian people and yes you cannot differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinian people.”

https://x.com/Jonathan_Elk/status/1881420728421216357

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https://x.com/Jonathan_Elk/status/1881420728421216357

Zonder · 21/01/2025 07:41

Oodiks · 20/01/2025 23:59

Considering that Hamas could have ended this by surrendering and giving up the hostages and now call it a victory despite the huge loss of Palestinian lives, gives some idea of how valuable Hamas considers Palestinian lives.

Hamas are terrible and have committed atrocities. But would you surrender if someone decided to make you homeless and take over your land?

Dulra · 21/01/2025 08:11

BelleHathor · 20/01/2025 23:46

Exactly, when people ask how did Gvir, Smotrich et al get elected, that attitude is how.

It is a disgusting post basically calling for a genocide.

Auvergne63 · 21/01/2025 08:41

Oodiks · 21/01/2025 00:25

It's tricky because during the war Hamas military wear civilian clothing, but after the ceasefire a great many men seem to be wearing military wear. Hamas is also the government and controls aid to civilians. Also, Hamas encourages women to have children that can grow up to be martyrs and pays them if their children are martyred or imprisoned.

Not all Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, but I suspect very few would say they did not as Hamas is so deeply embedded in their culture.

Also, Hamas encourages women to have children that can grow up to be martyrs and pays them if their children are martyred or imprisoned.
Provide unbiased and verified evidence to your assertion.

statsfun · 21/01/2025 08:59

Zonder · 21/01/2025 07:41

Hamas are terrible and have committed atrocities. But would you surrender if someone decided to make you homeless and take over your land?

I think I would follow the path that resulted in the best future for my family.

I don't believe that would be to continue with terrorism for 70 years - when that terrorism is itself the main blocker to a safe life and a new nation state for my family - but instead would stick to the non-murderous behaviour which would make a new nation state more likely.

If my family had moved to another country as refugees several generations ago and I was a national of that new country, I would embrace the country I had been born into. As refugees always have done, of many nationalities. Including hundreds of thousands of Jewish families expelled from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco etc, where their families had lived for hundreds of years.

I hope I would look forwards, not back.

Silence1 · 21/01/2025 09:25

statsfun · 21/01/2025 08:59

I think I would follow the path that resulted in the best future for my family.

I don't believe that would be to continue with terrorism for 70 years - when that terrorism is itself the main blocker to a safe life and a new nation state for my family - but instead would stick to the non-murderous behaviour which would make a new nation state more likely.

If my family had moved to another country as refugees several generations ago and I was a national of that new country, I would embrace the country I had been born into. As refugees always have done, of many nationalities. Including hundreds of thousands of Jewish families expelled from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco etc, where their families had lived for hundreds of years.

I hope I would look forwards, not back.

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Wasn't Israel created by people looking back? If I've got that wrong please do explain?
Wasn't there terrorism in Israel's creation - murdering British soldiers and booby trapping their bodies and murdering British citizens. The murdering of British citizens is still celebrated and commemorated today in Israel.
Now we have a far right Israeli Govt with terrorist supporting members, we have settler terrorists supported by the Israeli Govt , Israeli citizens spewing hate and violence and Israeli soldiers shooting dead children and innocents.
Israel going back to it's roots or maybe it never left them?

SharonEllis · 21/01/2025 09:43

Auvergne63 · 21/01/2025 08:41

Also, Hamas encourages women to have children that can grow up to be martyrs and pays them if their children are martyred or imprisoned.
Provide unbiased and verified evidence to your assertion.

You honestly dont know about the payments to terrorists' families?