Hamas and Gaza celebrates

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Hillel Nueur, International human rights lawyer, writer, Executive Director of United Nations Watch writes: 'Never before in history has a side claimed that they suffered a genocide and at the same time that they won the war they had started.'

If you read only a handful of messages on social media today and watch the news, people in Gaza are celebrating and Hamas state they will continue (their barbarity) until Israel is eradicated. I won't repost these as anyone can find them easily.

Agree and you are right it needs to be everyone, masked Israeli extremists attacked 2 Palestinian villages injuring 21. Imagine their fear knowing no police would help them and now Trump has reversed sanctions on settler violence all bets really are off.

But how would day to day life look, would permits and handing your house to settlers continue, would queuing at checkpoints for work continue, would rationed water and imports continue?

From what I read, the terrorists opened fire at a civilian car from a close range, killing 2 elderly women. Then started shooting at a bus. Whilst they were shooting at the bus, an armed civilian opened fire at them. They drove away, and opening fire at yet another car, killing an off duty police officer.

There is no justification for those brutal murders by terrorists.

@Whatsinanamehey yes thats what they want they are either perfect victims or terrorist nothing in between

Agree 100%. That is terrorism and I don't condone it.

Well it's certain that all of that will continue if the Palestinian violence does.

So what do you think. Is it worth the Palestinians giving it a go, and stopping the violence?

Do you really think the terrorism actually gains them anything? Anything worth giving up any chance of change?

Call settlers terrorists as well and unhinged idf soldiers that shoot children in the head
Are they not terrorists?
We call hamas terrorists do you call these fascist settlers terrorists as well ?

Uninvolved Palestinians pay the price as much as uninvolved Israelis. However, I don't think any of this will stop regardless.

I agree. I don't think anything will change on either side.

Do you think if they stopped all the violence Israel would withdraw from the occupied territories, prosecute violent settlers, make seizing another home illegal, allow Palestine to keep their own taxes and be in charge of their own natural resources and imports?

No being rewarded for terrorism. The removal of 'pay to slay'

The story that stays with me is the sniper that waited and shot the ten month baby Shalhavet Pass.

'Unhinged' @immigrant101

Rape is not 'resistance '.

Although Hamas rape, torture, murder and kidnapped, many supporters in the West Bank.

I didn't say it was.

I honestly don't know.

Personally, I think it would take at least a generation for the trust to build enough for security concessions like ceding control over imports. Longer for Israel to be OK with them having armed forces (that was one of the blockers for Camp David, and I think we're at least a generation away from the level of trust that existed in 2000)

But I'd expect that the removal of settlers could be negotiated reasonably easily (there would need to be compensation for Israelis who own land there, but that's not hard). And I'd hope that there would be a gradual improvement in Palestinian living standards during that time, with negotiations over things like house building and travel, imports being easier etc.

So for the WB, not immediate, but a gradual improvement over time and possibly a 2SS in a couple of generations. For Gaza, I have no idea.

But I'm pretty sure that without the Palestinians stopping their terrorism, it will never happen.

So what do you go for? A chance at a future? Or some gratifying but pointless terrorism and no chance at all?

@statsfun that's a fair answer and I do agree with you.It's a long road ahead, hopefully one that does not involve the loss of too many more lives from either side.
Taking the gun out of politics is never easy but essential.

Long road, it was right when I tried to edit it but it saved wrong.

Yes.