Hamas and Gaza celebrates

[LetThereBeLove]

Hillel Nueur, International human rights lawyer, writer, Executive Director of United Nations Watch writes: 'Never before in history has a side claimed that they suffered a genocide and at the same time that they won the war they had started.'

If you read only a handful of messages on social media today and watch the news, people in Gaza are celebrating and Hamas state they will continue (their barbarity) until Israel is eradicated. I won't repost these as anyone can find them easily.

But despite such views, deep down would the majority of both prefer peace over war? I think yes.

can this be applied to Israelis ? When we point out about IDF members behaviour then we are told they’re young and sent to war without the will and therefore are doing stupid things like taking pictures in front of a destroyed Gaza / torturing Palestinians (not in this thread but in others)

when we point out about extremists ? Then we are told that this is a minority and they’ve no representation in the population despite they’re part of the government and the ones making the decisions ?

why do you need proof that many of the Palestinians don’t support Hamas ? Do you have proof that Israelis don’t agree with their government and the war crimes they’re committing ?

i don’t agree with the generalisation based on our own prejudices that the citizens of a country are all the same. If this doesn’t apply to Israelis then don’t apply it to citizens of any other country.

Of course not all people in a country are the same. But of course - knowing that - we all apply our own generalised judgement, to try to understand the big picture and likely future.

fwiw, my sweeping generalisation for Israelis is that I think a majority now believe that Palestinians aren't willing to live in peace with them, and that the best they can do is contain the situation and limit the damage for Israelis. I don't think that was the majority view previously, but I suspect it is now.

I think only a very tiny number of Israelis never wanted peace; some (but still a minority) are now really angry; more people are afraid but determined to survive as a nation; and almost all are distressed, and disillusioned about their previous hopes for peace.

But what do I know? I could be equally wrong about all that!

An interesting article
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2025-01-23/ty-article-opinion/netanyahu-is-choosing-hamas-again/00000194-8fb7-da26-a7b6-9ffff0f90000

The reality of Hamas neighbours:
www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-leader-touts-ceasefire-as-a-defeat-for-israel-while-hailing-oct-7-atrocities/

"Senior Hamas leader Khalil al-Hayya praised the October 7 massacre as a major achievement that would be taught to future generations of Palestinians with pride, while touting the ceasefire-hostage deal that was announced shortly before he spoke Wednesday as a “historic moment.”

Vile. Not surprised. Keep teaching hate. We see them.

I didn't respond to your post today because I attended a family funeral.

I clarified my point yesterday and will not give you the satisfaction.

Hate is not one sided. There's a disgusting video of a rabbi who fought in Gaza boasting about how many civilian buildings he was destroying every week. The worse it got, the more the audience clapped on the Israeli talk show.

Now that he has exposed his war crimes by himself then hopefully he will be arrested if he travels out of Israel. I didn't know what was worse; boasting about his sick crimes or the audience clapping in appreciation.

Rabbi Zarbiv's crimes are well-documented through his own public admissions and video evidence. On January 22, 2025, Zarbiv appeared in a televised interview where he openly admitted to:

• Destroying 50 buildings per week in Gaza, targeting private homes, schools, hospitals, and aid facilities.
• Participating in the complete destruction of entire neighborhoods, such as Jabalia, Rafah, and other towns.
• Publicly inciting violence and hatred, including endorsing the killing of Palestinian civilians and the obliteration of their communities.

In the interview, Zarbiv boasted about "playing" on a D9 bulldozer, describing the deliberate demolition of homes and the obliteration of Gaza’s infrastructure. He confirmed the Givati Brigade's systematic targeting of civilian areas and its role in rendering entire towns uninhabitable.
Additionally, video evidence dated February 7, 2024, shows Zarbiv and his team throwing hand grenades and firing at unarmed Palestinian civilians in Khan Yunis. These acts constitute clear violations of international humanitarian law.

@Whatsinanamehey that is an isolated incident i am sure 😅 as well as all the other videos posted by practically teenage iidf members on tik tok ! They were actually used as evidence in the icj trial

At no point during the interview did anyone point out that perhaps these actions might be even slightly questionable. Everyone was clapping along enthusiastically. Really disturbing.

Ofcourse, all those countless 'isolated' incidents.
A complaint has been filed against this rabbi with the ICC too.

Hate on either side is not acceptable.

But there is a huge difference between a civilian expressing hate and a senior official in the Government.

True but he's not just a civilian is he. He is a judge at a rabbinical court and a military officer, who hasn't just expressed hate but acted upon it in a destructive manner. How many Palestinian lives has he ruined?

No idea but less than a Senior Official of Hamas.

@SpunkyCritic And how do you quantify that? You seem very confident in your assertion.

Hamas are the government in Gaza, they could've put their resources into infrastructure and job creation, instead they focused on destroying 'the Zionist Entity.' Relations between the people in Gaza and the surrounding areas were tense, to say the least, but Israelis near the border were working towards peace and employed Palestinians to work for them. The October 7th attacks were planned with information Hamas got from those workers, destroying any trust, and starting this destructive phase of the ongoing conflict.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-occupation-illustrated-guide/

Hamas might have been the government but they didn't exactly have autonomy over everything in running the country.

Well, they would say that wouldn't they? Al Jazeera is notably hostile to Israel so they're hardly going to be unbiased.

@Oodiks So what are you suggesting people read instead? I’m confused in what way are they hostile to the Israeli government?

Which facts aren't true so?

While we can debate the source's "hostility" facts are facts and just because you don't like where they came from does not mean they can be dismissed.

Perhaps the reason it is seen as hostile is that the facts are unpleasant to those who feel that Israel is never the aggressor , only the victim.

@ExitPersuedByAMemory something that isn't bias?

All media has a bias, we just like to think the ones that agree with our views don't.

Without defending Hamas I think it's important to recognise that what they're doing isn't unusual given the circumstances. If you invade, occupy and systematically oppress a population of people then those people will resist and that resistance will manifest itself violently. There's nothing unusual about what the Palestinians are doing. Hamas are just the face of it.
Only Israel has the power to try and change the status quo, starting with the two state solution. Unfortunately that doesn't appear to be on the table.

@Golden407

There's nothing unusual about what the Palestinians are doing. Hamas are just the face of it.

That's an interesting take on it and hardly fits in with the normal narrative on here.

Israel has also offered numerous times (five) and it's been rejected. By the 'face' of the Palestinians.