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Conflict in the Middle East

Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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EasterIssland · 23/12/2024 15:51

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 15:56

The Israeli contingent behaved appallingly. How so? The contestant had to be confined to her hotel suite because of death threats. Did any other contestants have this experience?

RedToothBrush · 27/12/2024 16:00

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 15:56

The Israeli contingent behaved appallingly. How so? The contestant had to be confined to her hotel suite because of death threats. Did any other contestants have this experience?

They were trying to pressure the other contestants into photo ops, knowing that doing so would put them potentially at risk because they didn't have noodles of security and were getting a shed load of abuse. And then accused them of anti semitism for understanding that they were totally exposed to the numerous anti Israeli protests that were going on in Malmö...

It was tone deaf to the posters and protests around the city.

The other contestants didn't have much of a choice.

EasterIssland · 27/12/2024 16:03

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 15:46

Well girls, where would you rather live: Israel or Saudi Arabia?

None thanks

and I’d prefer SA and Israel didn’t take part in Eurovision either

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stormy4319trevor · 27/12/2024 16:07

@RedToothBrush It's a shame such an event became so tense. It should be light-hearted fun, and I expect it costs a fair amount to go and see the event in person. I am sorry to hear that it turned into a stressful event for participants and the audience as well, by the sounds of it. I'd hope it would bring people together, but the situation in Gaza is so controversial that it can't be ignored.

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/12/2024 16:46

RedToothBrush · 27/12/2024 16:00

They were trying to pressure the other contestants into photo ops, knowing that doing so would put them potentially at risk because they didn't have noodles of security and were getting a shed load of abuse. And then accused them of anti semitism for understanding that they were totally exposed to the numerous anti Israeli protests that were going on in Malmö...

It was tone deaf to the posters and protests around the city.

The other contestants didn't have much of a choice.

I’m a bit confused.. Why are you blaming the Israeli contingent for behaving “appallingly”for wanting photo ops ( Isn’t that pretty normal?)
Why not blame the people who were posing the risk and causing “the shed load of abuse”?
Regardless of how bad Israel’s government has been ( and there are many reasons to criticise the Israeli government) I don’t think it’s fair for the Israeli contestants to be at risk , to be abused or to be ostracised by other performers.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 16:54

After an attack on October 7th 2023, Israel defended itself. There were numerous further attacks by rockets launched from Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran. As a citizen in the UK, if a hostile state were to launch attacks on my country or city, I would like my Government to protect me.

stomachamelon · 27/12/2024 16:56

@wanderingstar23 your ability to blame anything on ‘deflection’ that doesn’t fit your narrative is staggering.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 16:57

Extremely dishonest to say you don't know whether it's better as a female to live in SA or Israel. Should be straightforward really.

wanderingstar23 · 27/12/2024 16:58

stomachamelon · 27/12/2024 16:56

@wanderingstar23 your ability to blame anything on ‘deflection’ that doesn’t fit your narrative is staggering.

What’s my narrative?

wanderingstar23 · 27/12/2024 17:05

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 16:57

Extremely dishonest to say you don't know whether it's better as a female to live in SA or Israel. Should be straightforward really.

It would be so much easier for you if we went along with your deflection attempt and spoke about Saudi Arabia instead of Israel. It’s not a race to the bottom though, so let’s stick with the programme!

wanderingstar23 · 27/12/2024 17:12

Deflection by the way is the well known strategy of trying to shut down discussion - through diversion, affected outrage, personal insults, etc - when there is no prospect of winning on the facts. It’s well known that this is what staunch defenders of Israel’s right to commit genocide increasingly throw their energy into.

EasterIssland · 27/12/2024 17:16

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 16:57

Extremely dishonest to say you don't know whether it's better as a female to live in SA or Israel. Should be straightforward really.

not really. It’s not like Israel is the perfect for country for women either. I’m happy for you to live there if you want to but id not want some of the restrictions in place for Israelis (and for female israelis) for myself

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IAmAHomewardBounder · 27/12/2024 17:17

I don't think any country's political situation should disallow them from Eurovision. It really should be about the competition, and all participants given equal respect.

The original Olympics allowed competitors safe passage through warring states as the Olympics were considered separate from war. Why can't Eurovision be like that? Just a chance to enjoy the songs from around Europe and beyond?

Slovenia should withdraw instead if she feels that strongly about it.

BadgerInDungarees · 27/12/2024 17:26

SharonEllis · 27/12/2024 13:59

Maybe it helps to understand why Israel competes in Eurovision. Its a longstanding member of the European Broadcasting Union along with many other MENA countries. Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon are also allowed to participate but choose not to because Israel is taking part. Morocco took part one year when Israel was not participating, I think because it coincided with Passover. Lebanon was due to participate one year but was forced to withdraw because they refused to guarantee to play the Israeli entry as at the time no Israeli content could be broadcast on Lebanese TV (very democratic). So Israel has every right to participate in the competition. The situation with Russia is different and it was thrown out of the EBU thereby making it ineligible.

The EBU, which produces the event, said Russia's inclusion could bring the competition into disrepute "in light of the unprecedented crisis in Ukraine".

If Russias inclusion could bring the Eurovision into disrupute then it is fair to say the inclusion of an occupying, apartheid state taking part in the largest scale killing and maiming of children the world has seen for quite a while can do the same thing.

UK Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries tweeted: "Eurovision stands for freedom, unity and respect between countries - watched and enjoyed by tens of millions around the world. Glad to see Eurovision taking action and kicking Russia out."

I think we can all agree that Israel represents the very antithesis of 'unity and respect' with their repeated disregard for the International laws that bind us and keep us safe. If the argument was there for kicking Russia out the argument is more than there for an apartheid country ran by a war criminal.

stormy4319trevor · 27/12/2024 17:29

IAmAHomewardBounder · 27/12/2024 17:17

I don't think any country's political situation should disallow them from Eurovision. It really should be about the competition, and all participants given equal respect.

The original Olympics allowed competitors safe passage through warring states as the Olympics were considered separate from war. Why can't Eurovision be like that? Just a chance to enjoy the songs from around Europe and beyond?

Slovenia should withdraw instead if she feels that strongly about it.

I suppose social media, TV and the internet have completely changed the impact of international sporting and cultural events, allowing political capital and narrative to attach themselves to the countries represented, and to influence world opinions. The original Olympics were unlikely to affect public relations on quite such a scale as Eurovision today, I suspect.

RedToothBrush · 27/12/2024 17:32

stormy4319trevor · 27/12/2024 16:07

@RedToothBrush It's a shame such an event became so tense. It should be light-hearted fun, and I expect it costs a fair amount to go and see the event in person. I am sorry to hear that it turned into a stressful event for participants and the audience as well, by the sounds of it. I'd hope it would bring people together, but the situation in Gaza is so controversial that it can't be ignored.

I'd gone because I love Eurovision and it was a change from meeting my friend in here home country.

Wed been to Liverpool the year before.

It really changed the atmosphere. The atmosphere in Malmö was tense. The atmosphere in the stadium was tense. (Thankfully we'd been staying in Copenhagen which wasn't sucked into this).

We just didn't want to get involved - we were there for fun - and talking to people, a lot of others felt the same. I'm sure it will put others off this year.

I also think Switzerland is much more accessible for large protests this year too.

We saw the police motorcade for the Israeli contingent. It was unreal. I've seen the UK PM's motorcade before and it was on a par with that. It was insane. They clearly thought the risk was that high and thats sobering. I can't imagine being another contestant WITHOUT any security in the same atmosphere. If the Israeli contingent needed that much security then everyone else was wise to distance themselves and potentially even be critical in the context of having no security themselves. You'd be insane to be plastering yourself all over the internet next to the Israeli contingent and honestlu as crowd members able to recognise this, I do feel the other countries were badly let down by organisers. That's before accounting for Joost's fully acknowledged personal issues (highly likely to be neuro-diversity) and the extra protection he should have had.

We are steering well clear this year.

We had a good time, but honestly the over riding feeling was uncomfortable and that's lasted.

Given I knew prior to the event that Joost had issues this hasn't helped my view - it was being expressed that there was concern prior to the event - the focus was clearly all on Israel without consideration to anyone else. That's not ok. I hope that there isn't a repeat this year.

PoloMum · 27/12/2024 18:14

EasterIssland · 27/12/2024 10:54

This is about Eurovision. Can anyone tell me any other country which is illegally occupying another country and killing innocent civilians in 4 countries and at the same time taking part in Eurovision ?

it’s not that we don’t care about other war crimes. Is that we want Israel to be treated the same way these other countries are treated

ps don’t use the Eurovision is not a political act. As proven on the page one of this thread they use politics to kick Russia out in 2022

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The UK was not banned from taking part after invading Afghanistan, or after the invasion of Iraq. Russia was still allowed to take part after invading and annexing Crimea.

EasterIssland · 27/12/2024 18:21

PoloMum · 27/12/2024 18:14

The UK was not banned from taking part after invading Afghanistan, or after the invasion of Iraq. Russia was still allowed to take part after invading and annexing Crimea.

That doesn’t mean I didn’t agree with ita
also you’re talking about 20 years ago. Things can change. And what was right back then doesn’t mean they’ve to be right nowadays.

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BadgerInDungarees · 27/12/2024 18:25

@PoloMum And they have since set a precedent by banning Russia. If as Nadine Doris said the Eurovision stands for freedom, unity and respect then Israel don't belong. They don't share those values.

SharonEllis · 27/12/2024 18:45

BadgerInDungarees · 27/12/2024 17:26

The EBU, which produces the event, said Russia's inclusion could bring the competition into disrepute "in light of the unprecedented crisis in Ukraine".

If Russias inclusion could bring the Eurovision into disrupute then it is fair to say the inclusion of an occupying, apartheid state taking part in the largest scale killing and maiming of children the world has seen for quite a while can do the same thing.

UK Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries tweeted: "Eurovision stands for freedom, unity and respect between countries - watched and enjoyed by tens of millions around the world. Glad to see Eurovision taking action and kicking Russia out."

I think we can all agree that Israel represents the very antithesis of 'unity and respect' with their repeated disregard for the International laws that bind us and keep us safe. If the argument was there for kicking Russia out the argument is more than there for an apartheid country ran by a war criminal.

Those are not my quotes.

stormy4319trevor · 27/12/2024 19:39

RedToothBrush · 27/12/2024 17:32

I'd gone because I love Eurovision and it was a change from meeting my friend in here home country.

Wed been to Liverpool the year before.

It really changed the atmosphere. The atmosphere in Malmö was tense. The atmosphere in the stadium was tense. (Thankfully we'd been staying in Copenhagen which wasn't sucked into this).

We just didn't want to get involved - we were there for fun - and talking to people, a lot of others felt the same. I'm sure it will put others off this year.

I also think Switzerland is much more accessible for large protests this year too.

We saw the police motorcade for the Israeli contingent. It was unreal. I've seen the UK PM's motorcade before and it was on a par with that. It was insane. They clearly thought the risk was that high and thats sobering. I can't imagine being another contestant WITHOUT any security in the same atmosphere. If the Israeli contingent needed that much security then everyone else was wise to distance themselves and potentially even be critical in the context of having no security themselves. You'd be insane to be plastering yourself all over the internet next to the Israeli contingent and honestlu as crowd members able to recognise this, I do feel the other countries were badly let down by organisers. That's before accounting for Joost's fully acknowledged personal issues (highly likely to be neuro-diversity) and the extra protection he should have had.

We are steering well clear this year.

We had a good time, but honestly the over riding feeling was uncomfortable and that's lasted.

Given I knew prior to the event that Joost had issues this hasn't helped my view - it was being expressed that there was concern prior to the event - the focus was clearly all on Israel without consideration to anyone else. That's not ok. I hope that there isn't a repeat this year.

Really interesting to hear from someone who was there. I hope the participants have had support for what must have been a much more stressful experience than they expected. I didn't know Joost was ND, which must have made things very difficult for him. Hopefully Eurovision can get back to what it was some time, though I confess I don't know how, given the current political trajectory and the strong public sentiment around that. But here's hoping.

BadgerInDungarees · 27/12/2024 20:06

SharonEllis · 27/12/2024 18:45

Those are not my quotes.

No They aren't. It was me using quotes from the culture minister and the EBU to explain to you why Russia is no different from Israel like you claim. Both would bring the Eurovision into disrupute and both have no respect for the culture surrounding the Eurovision. If Russia was kicked out then precedent and fairness says Israel should be too.

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OchaLove · 28/12/2024 01:16

BadgerInDungarees · 27/12/2024 11:08

You have to admit apartheid and mass killing and maiming if children are a pretty serious set of circumstances. Are any other countries in the Eurovision doing something that is so abhorrently against our Western values? Why is it so important to some people that a middle eastern apartheid country gets to take part alongside us in a singing competition?

Nobody has said that the only horrific things are happening at the hands of Israel but the only country people don't seem to want to face consequences for their actions seems to be Israel. People werent aghast at Russia being booted out of the Eurovision. People arent aghast at Russia or Iran or Afghanistan having sanctions against them. Yet for some reason the idea of an apartheid country that is currently killing and maiming children at an incredible rate being penalised for that has people looking for exceptions for them and then acting surprised when they are spoken about exceptionally.

"Are any other countries in the Eurovision doing something that is so abhorrently against our Western values?"

These are human values. Killing civilians, especially children are abhorrent in Eastern values as well.

OchaLove · 28/12/2024 01:25

YourAmplePlumPoster · 27/12/2024 15:39

How about banning Turkey which has been illegally occupying Northern Cyprus since 1974? Nobody talks about that.

If illegal occupation is sufficient enough for disqualification, Israel should have been disqualified long ago.