Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

By business as usual I mean a grossly unfair political system that favours one group over another to the extent that it has been described as an apartheid system by numerous expert parties. What is happening right now is where such racial supremacist ethnonationalism inevitably leads. any solution that does not involve fully engaging with this will only be a sticking plaster, sadly. Whether or not mumsnet exhibits the wrong kind of Jewish exceptionalism is neither here nor there.

@SharonEllis well said.

The obsession with Israel thing is kind of tiring at this point. As far as the Eurovision goes there didn't have to be an obsession with Russia because they got booted out. There are no other apartheid countries led by war criminals that are currently killing and maiming children at a rate not seen for a very long time that want to continue singing in the Eurovision while they do so. If people so desperately want Israel to be treated like other countries like them and not be singled out then would be agreeing that they shouldnt be taking part in Eurovision in their current state just like they would be agreeing that there should be sanctions against them. They don't seem to want Israel to be treated like other countries that are ran by war criminals and that are currently killing and maiming children at an incredible rate though or there wouldn't be people objecting to them being booted out just like Russia were.

As usual, on point and absolutely correct.

Obviously if you select a set of specific criteria that relate only to Israel, only Israel will fit the bill. But the idea that the only horrific things happening in the world are at the hands of Israel is incorrect and pretty chilling that the injustices suffered by people all around the world don't matter because they don't fit a predetermined template.

And oh yes, all the responses to this post are predictable (I could write them now). But any neutral observer can see the obsession with Israel alone on MN.
Ah yes predictable mumsnet responses, what's predictable is if you keep accusing people of the same thing over and over you will continue to get the same responses.

What is your explanation for your obsession with Israel? Do you view it in the same way? Because by your logic it can only be because you hate Palestinians? I don't believe that, but your view as to why people are pro Palestinian is because they hate Israelis and are antisemitic so you must believe the reverse is true of you.

I don't think people who are loosely pro-Israel want 'business as usual' at all.
I don't think "business as usual" is even possible in Gaza and won't be for a very long time

pretty chilling that the injustices suffered by people all around the world don't matter because they don't fit a predetermined template.
Who has ever said this? This is the lens you seem to view things but very few else do.

Well said.

This is about Eurovision. Can anyone tell me any other country which is illegally occupying another country and killing innocent civilians in 4 countries and at the same time taking part in Eurovision ?

it’s not that we don’t care about other war crimes. Is that we want Israel to be treated the same way these other countries are treated

ps don’t use the Eurovision is not a political act. As proven on the page one of this thread they use politics to kick Russia out in 2022

What is the specific criteria you are talking about?
The idea that the only horrific things happening in the world are at the hands of Israel is incorrect and pretty chilling that the injustices suffered by people all around the world don't matter because they don't fit a predetermined template.
No one has ever said that and the rest is pure assumption on your part.
Last time I looked, we were discussing "Conflict in the ME" so yes, Israel, Lebanon and other ME countries will feature. Israel has a prominent place in the debates because of their actions, which are viewed as illegal and in contravention of the Geneva convention, which they signed up to.
I also don't have a scale of human suffering. Suffering is suffering.
Finally, can you elaborate on the predetermined temple you mention, please?

You have to admit apartheid and mass killing and maiming if children are a pretty serious set of circumstances. Are any other countries in the Eurovision doing something that is so abhorrently against our Western values? Why is it so important to some people that a middle eastern apartheid country gets to take part alongside us in a singing competition?

Nobody has said that the only horrific things are happening at the hands of Israel but the only country people don't seem to want to face consequences for their actions seems to be Israel. People werent aghast at Russia being booted out of the Eurovision. People arent aghast at Russia or Iran or Afghanistan having sanctions against them. Yet for some reason the idea of an apartheid country that is currently killing and maiming children at an incredible rate being penalised for that has people looking for exceptions for them and then acting surprised when they are spoken about exceptionally.

The mental contortions that people will perform to maintain such an untenable position are astounding.

Maybe it helps to understand why Israel competes in Eurovision. Its a longstanding member of the European Broadcasting Union along with many other MENA countries. Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon are also allowed to participate but choose not to because Israel is taking part. Morocco took part one year when Israel was not participating, I think because it coincided with Passover. Lebanon was due to participate one year but was forced to withdraw because they refused to guarantee to play the Israeli entry as at the time no Israeli content could be broadcast on Lebanese TV (very democratic). So Israel has every right to participate in the competition. The situation with Russia is different and it was thrown out of the EBU thereby making it ineligible.

Russia was stopped competing before being thrown of the EBU
I don’t care how long it’s been competing for. They are killing civilians.

How about banning Turkey which has been illegally occupying Northern Cyprus since 1974? Nobody talks about that.

Turkey isn't taking part so that point is moot.

Let alone Turkey's campaign of genocide against the Kurds. Wait until the US troops leave Northern Syria and see what happens.

Israel is an apartheid state, if you want to believe it isn't then you will at the least have to accept it is heading that way more and more. So much outrage by Israeli fans over an Arab goalie that he was kicked out of the team. So don't even start with all the Israel is the only country in the middle east where everyone is treated equally.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-soccer-team-releases-arab-goalie-after-fan-outrage-over-appearance-for-palestinian-national-team-report/#openwebComments

Well girls, where would you rather live: Israel or Saudi Arabia?

Your deflection isn't going to change Israel's apartheid ways.

@wanderingstar23 I think that works either way to be honest.

@YourAmplePlumPoster you don't honestly think any of these posters have any actual knowledge of Israel let alone have visited?

I think the Israeli contingent behaved appallingly last year. That alone should get them banned tbh.

But the main sponsor.

And ultimately rightly or wrongly that's what it comes down to and Eurovision probably are contracted so they can't dump them and survive the legal challenge...

No they haven't. I have many dear friends from Israel and have worked in a Jewish school in Spain. Even back then in the nineties, the security measures in place gave you an idea of how many people want to kill Jews.

Another deflection. Similar to the racists who tried to claim that people who weren’t from South Africa couldn’t possibly understand what was really going on.