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Conflict in the Middle East

Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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EasterIssland · 23/12/2024 15:51

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

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quantumbutterfly · 31/03/2025 20:51

It's a music concert, what sort of people want to disrupt a music concert?

SomeWomanSomewhere · 31/03/2025 21:10

quantumbutterfly · 31/03/2025 20:51

It's a music concert, what sort of people want to disrupt a music concert?

I shall assume you desperately want Russia to compete?! Only a music concert, right?!

If not: What sort of people want to disrupt a music concert? How about "a state, fledgleding, loosing public support - banking on 'but they bullied a girl, a victim!'?!" - hoping and banking on "maximum controversy"?

Do that ... but not in my hometown!

I HATE how this is pitting neighbour against neighbour!

Again, Israel, if you cannot be excluded: please field "David X" with "Party, Party, Party!" - do NOT politicise this hoping that it will create a stir. It will. But we fucking LIVE HERE! And we deserve better!

devourfeculence · 31/03/2025 21:43

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 20:24

Never never …. I’d not say never …

Sorry what?

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 21:48

devourfeculence · 31/03/2025 21:43

Sorry what?

Your sentence
“si ging competition that has absolutely never been about politics.”

and I say there has been times when decisions have been made in this singing competition that were about politics and not about the singing. So it’s not never as you indicated.

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quantumbutterfly · 31/03/2025 21:54

SomeWomanSomewhere · 31/03/2025 21:10

I shall assume you desperately want Russia to compete?! Only a music concert, right?!

If not: What sort of people want to disrupt a music concert? How about "a state, fledgleding, loosing public support - banking on 'but they bullied a girl, a victim!'?!" - hoping and banking on "maximum controversy"?

Do that ... but not in my hometown!

I HATE how this is pitting neighbour against neighbour!

Again, Israel, if you cannot be excluded: please field "David X" with "Party, Party, Party!" - do NOT politicise this hoping that it will create a stir. It will. But we fucking LIVE HERE! And we deserve better!

I'm sure we all deserve better one way or another, but you suggest the Swiss police will be effective at maintaining public order.
Are you advocating for Russia to compete? I didn't think they liked Europe enough to join in.

quantumbutterfly · 31/03/2025 21:55

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 21:48

Your sentence
“si ging competition that has absolutely never been about politics.”

and I say there has been times when decisions have been made in this singing competition that were about politics and not about the singing. So it’s not never as you indicated.

I think your sarcasm meter is broken.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 31/03/2025 22:12

quantumbutterfly · 31/03/2025 21:54

I'm sure we all deserve better one way or another, but you suggest the Swiss police will be effective at maintaining public order.
Are you advocating for Russia to compete? I didn't think they liked Europe enough to join in.

I am advocating for "treat Russia like Israel - and vice versa!" - either your head of government being an internationally wanted war criminal gets you excluded or it does not!

As for "trust in policing"? The police can always be trusted to "maintain public order" of course. As in "align with power and arrest and rubber bullet and water cannon dissenters". Sorry if I don[t want that for my friends and neighbours over "but Israel has a right to do propaganda ...". Brits (I am one, for the record) have a seriously naive take on policing because we all grew up with the friendly neighbourhood bobby idea. Police elsewhere will beat the crap out of you and that will be considred normal.

devourfeculence · 31/03/2025 22:34

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 21:48

Your sentence
“si ging competition that has absolutely never been about politics.”

and I say there has been times when decisions have been made in this singing competition that were about politics and not about the singing. So it’s not never as you indicated.

Yeah no shit. And do you also think I genuinely believe victims or terrorists attacks shouldn't be able to enter?

quantumbutterfly · 31/03/2025 22:36

SomeWomanSomewhere · 31/03/2025 22:12

I am advocating for "treat Russia like Israel - and vice versa!" - either your head of government being an internationally wanted war criminal gets you excluded or it does not!

As for "trust in policing"? The police can always be trusted to "maintain public order" of course. As in "align with power and arrest and rubber bullet and water cannon dissenters". Sorry if I don[t want that for my friends and neighbours over "but Israel has a right to do propaganda ...". Brits (I am one, for the record) have a seriously naive take on policing because we all grew up with the friendly neighbourhood bobby idea. Police elsewhere will beat the crap out of you and that will be considred normal.

You're welcome to demonstrate on behalf of Russian participation. In the interests of fairness of course.

btw there are some who remember poll tax demonstrations and miners strike pickets who may have seen a slightly less laissez faire attitude from our boys in blue. But I digress...back to eurovision.

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 22:49

devourfeculence · 31/03/2025 22:34

Yeah no shit. And do you also think I genuinely believe victims or terrorists attacks shouldn't be able to enter?

Think I was replying to your comment about Eurovision never been about politics before. I’ve not mentioned anything about the Israeli singer at all so please don’t twist my words.

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devourfeculence · 31/03/2025 22:57

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 22:49

Think I was replying to your comment about Eurovision never been about politics before. I’ve not mentioned anything about the Israeli singer at all so please don’t twist my words.

How am I twisting your words? I mentioned with in the (sarcasric) comment you were responding to.

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 23:04

devourfeculence · 31/03/2025 22:57

How am I twisting your words? I mentioned with in the (sarcasric) comment you were responding to.

I wasn’t being sarcastic. EBU made a statement on 25th February 2022 that had nothing to do with singing and loads about politics. You can agree with it or not , but it was about politics. So I was disagreeing with your comment about Eurovision being about singing and it’s never been about politics.

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devourfeculence · 31/03/2025 23:17

EasterIssland · 31/03/2025 23:04

I wasn’t being sarcastic. EBU made a statement on 25th February 2022 that had nothing to do with singing and loads about politics. You can agree with it or not , but it was about politics. So I was disagreeing with your comment about Eurovision being about singing and it’s never been about politics.

Christ yes I know toy weren't being sarcastic. I was being sarcastic. I wish I hadn't bothered now.

CrunchyKnees · 31/03/2025 23:29

Can’t believe what I’m reading on here and that’s saying something.

So @SomeWomanSomewhere because you expect pro Palestinian groups to create violent disorder, you don’t want a singer representing a country that was the victim of one of the worlds worse terrorist atrocities, who was also a victim herself, taking part in it.

Did I get that right? You seem to think of public disorder is inevitable and it will all be Israel’s fault, as if the people who engage in it can’t responsible for their own actions?

You’re worried about the children of your middle class friends, and your friends being involved in that public disorder?

Maybe you should advise them not to get involved in public disorder?

Would you welcome an entry from a Palestinian representative from outside of Gaza (plenty of Palestinians in Europe) entering on Gaza’s behalf? Would you insist they should be banned if Israel kicked up a stink about it, and think it inevitable, and the Palestinians fault, if a load of Jewish people created public disorder in protest?

You think Israel entering is ‘propaganda’ even though they’ve competed almost every year since 1973?

Don’t singers usually sing about topics personal to them? I should imagine escaping near death at the hands of barbaric terrorists and having to hide under dead bodies for 8 hours is pretty personal to the Israeli entry.

The comparison to Russia doesn’t really wash as Russia invaded a sovereign country in an act of aggression. Israel responded to an invasion.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 01/04/2025 10:15

Greta Thunberg and her crew will be turning up there no doubt. Since she's now jumped on the pro Pal bandwagon.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 01/04/2025 18:56

CrunchyKnees · 31/03/2025 23:29

Can’t believe what I’m reading on here and that’s saying something.

So @SomeWomanSomewhere because you expect pro Palestinian groups to create violent disorder, you don’t want a singer representing a country that was the victim of one of the worlds worse terrorist atrocities, who was also a victim herself, taking part in it.

Did I get that right? You seem to think of public disorder is inevitable and it will all be Israel’s fault, as if the people who engage in it can’t responsible for their own actions?

You’re worried about the children of your middle class friends, and your friends being involved in that public disorder?

Maybe you should advise them not to get involved in public disorder?

Would you welcome an entry from a Palestinian representative from outside of Gaza (plenty of Palestinians in Europe) entering on Gaza’s behalf? Would you insist they should be banned if Israel kicked up a stink about it, and think it inevitable, and the Palestinians fault, if a load of Jewish people created public disorder in protest?

You think Israel entering is ‘propaganda’ even though they’ve competed almost every year since 1973?

Don’t singers usually sing about topics personal to them? I should imagine escaping near death at the hands of barbaric terrorists and having to hide under dead bodies for 8 hours is pretty personal to the Israeli entry.

The comparison to Russia doesn’t really wash as Russia invaded a sovereign country in an act of aggression. Israel responded to an invasion.

because you expect pro Palestinian groups to create violent disorder, you don’t want a singer representing a country that was the victim of one of the worlds worse terrorist atrocities, who was also a victim herself, taking part in it.

Israel is not a victim, though! Israel is a violent, oppressive regime and has been since ... before its official declaration of independence, actually! See "Plan Dalet"!

And, yes, the singer herself is arguably a victim. But the state of Israel is not! And, yes, deliberately picking a "woe me!" representative is a deliberate propaganda move! The notion that Israel treats the ESC as a propaganda vehicle should be pretty uncontroversial given that last year their president personally intervened to have them change the lyrics that were not accepted because they were too political

You’re worried about the children of your middle class friends, and your friends being involved in that public disorder? Maybe you should advise them not to get involved in public disorder?

Yeah, sorry not sorry, I am a lot more invested in protected freedom of expression than in the public relations campaign of some rogue state! Shutting up is, literally, the last thing anyone should do in the face of state repression! That way, authoritarianism lies!

You call that "public disorder" - there is not a single documented case of a protest getting out of hand around here (except: when the police started it!).

I personally fucking hated COVID protesters - and yet I always argued against state repression against them! There was that moment when I was genuinely looking around for an emergency exit as a huge police cordon was bearing down on a protest right in front of the bar in which I happened to be sitting. But that still did not make me think "yeah, actually, the state literally beating the crap out of its citizens - even if their demands are stupid as per my own take - sounds like a bloody grand idea!"

Shutting up is literally the worst possible response to repression! I swear, if pro-Israel protests received anything like this level of repression, I might actually feel tempted tp turn up to one - holding a sign saying "I actually think Israel is a horrible regime - but I remain fundamentally opposed to state repression. So ... freedom of expression for Israel supporters!"

SomeWomanSomewhere · 01/04/2025 21:10

YourAmplePlumPoster · 01/04/2025 10:15

Greta Thunberg and her crew will be turning up there no doubt. Since she's now jumped on the pro Pal bandwagon.

Incidentally: Greta can sleep on my couch any day if she needs a place to stay!

I used to be very sceptical of her when she was a mere teen speaking at WEF and when her video clip was in my corporate training materials!

I started to take her seriously when she started to connect climate change, Sahrawis, Kurds, capitalism, and, yes, Palestinians!

Good on her! Greta is based!

quantumbutterfly · 02/04/2025 08:32

I do hope the Israeli entry isn't silenced, we're all keen on advocating for free speech on here after all.

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2025 08:57

SomeWomanSomewhere · 31/03/2025 20:29

In case this is addressed to me, I can predict this one pretty clearly:

  • Pro-Palestine people will stage massive protests and draw crowds from all over Europe
  • Police brutality will be off the charts (this is not particularly subject specific - if you happen to be used to British policing standards: German speaking world policing will leave you fucking speechless!)
  • Someone will inevitably spray "dismantle israel" onto a railway car or something.
  • Israeli ambassador/government/lobbyists will be all "woe us! - why are they bullying an innocent young girl?"
  • People will get arrested - there will be massive legal pushback!
  • Everyone will be angrier after all is said and done!

In other words and in answer to your question: Israel by deliberately provoking. Protesters by the inevitable few breaching whatever the powers that be deem "acceptable". The state by once again brutally cracking down - and alienating nice bourgeois people in their 40s over their kids getting arrested - again!

Literally everyone!

Sigh - your description of Israel “deliberately provoking protesters” by their choice of singer & song is horribly reminiscent of the apologists for male violence against women talking about how “she provoked me” or “she provoked him” thus making the victim out to be the one responsible for violence.

CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 11:08

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2025 08:57

Sigh - your description of Israel “deliberately provoking protesters” by their choice of singer & song is horribly reminiscent of the apologists for male violence against women talking about how “she provoked me” or “she provoked him” thus making the victim out to be the one responsible for violence.

Quite.

Nothing quite as satisfying for anti semites as scapegoating Jewish people though is there.

quantumbutterfly · 02/04/2025 18:58

CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 11:08

Quite.

Nothing quite as satisfying for anti semites as scapegoating Jewish people though is there.

..and 'advocating' for free speech , but only approved voices, let's silence the woman who walked over the obliterated bodies of kids at a music concert to her eventual rescue because 'propaganda'....whilst swallowing every sentence from hamas. The hypocrisy is outstanding.

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/04/2025 18:40

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2025 08:57

Sigh - your description of Israel “deliberately provoking protesters” by their choice of singer & song is horribly reminiscent of the apologists for male violence against women talking about how “she provoked me” or “she provoked him” thus making the victim out to be the one responsible for violence.

Agreed

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/04/2025 18:43

SomeWomanSomewhere · 01/04/2025 18:56

because you expect pro Palestinian groups to create violent disorder, you don’t want a singer representing a country that was the victim of one of the worlds worse terrorist atrocities, who was also a victim herself, taking part in it.

Israel is not a victim, though! Israel is a violent, oppressive regime and has been since ... before its official declaration of independence, actually! See "Plan Dalet"!

And, yes, the singer herself is arguably a victim. But the state of Israel is not! And, yes, deliberately picking a "woe me!" representative is a deliberate propaganda move! The notion that Israel treats the ESC as a propaganda vehicle should be pretty uncontroversial given that last year their president personally intervened to have them change the lyrics that were not accepted because they were too political

You’re worried about the children of your middle class friends, and your friends being involved in that public disorder? Maybe you should advise them not to get involved in public disorder?

Yeah, sorry not sorry, I am a lot more invested in protected freedom of expression than in the public relations campaign of some rogue state! Shutting up is, literally, the last thing anyone should do in the face of state repression! That way, authoritarianism lies!

You call that "public disorder" - there is not a single documented case of a protest getting out of hand around here (except: when the police started it!).

I personally fucking hated COVID protesters - and yet I always argued against state repression against them! There was that moment when I was genuinely looking around for an emergency exit as a huge police cordon was bearing down on a protest right in front of the bar in which I happened to be sitting. But that still did not make me think "yeah, actually, the state literally beating the crap out of its citizens - even if their demands are stupid as per my own take - sounds like a bloody grand idea!"

Shutting up is literally the worst possible response to repression! I swear, if pro-Israel protests received anything like this level of repression, I might actually feel tempted tp turn up to one - holding a sign saying "I actually think Israel is a horrible regime - but I remain fundamentally opposed to state repression. So ... freedom of expression for Israel supporters!"

“And, yes, deliberately picking a "woe me!" representative is a deliberate propaganda move!”

Your irrational bigotry is becoming increasingly apparent

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/04/2025 18:47

SomeWomanSomewhere · 01/04/2025 21:10

Incidentally: Greta can sleep on my couch any day if she needs a place to stay!

I used to be very sceptical of her when she was a mere teen speaking at WEF and when her video clip was in my corporate training materials!

I started to take her seriously when she started to connect climate change, Sahrawis, Kurds, capitalism, and, yes, Palestinians!

Good on her! Greta is based!

Oh for goodness sake .
🙄

Twiglets1 · 04/12/2025 19:29

Nations pull out of Eurovision after Israel allowed to compete

Spain, Ireland, Slovenia and the Netherlands will boycott next year’s Eurovision Song Contest after public broadcasters decided to let Israel compete.

Major financier Germany and next year’s host Austria had warned that they would withdraw from Eurovision if Israel was expelled, like Russia was after the invasion of Ukraine.

That would have left the organisers European Broadcasting Union (EBU), searching for a new host city before May, plunging the contest into even more chaos than it currently faces.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/04/eurovision-faces-its-waterloo-as-israel-threatened-with-ban/