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SharonEllis · 04/01/2025 16:36

Whatsinanamehey · 04/01/2025 11:03

What's the point of spending so much on hasbara when you have dangerouse extremists like Ben Gvir in government. Whose words and rhetoric can reverse any perceived positivity in moments.

Any sensible person can distinguish between the words of an extremist and the views and experiences of more mainstream Israelis and the wider issues of the right of the state of Israel to exist and defend itself.

Auvergne63 · 04/01/2025 17:01

SharonEllis · 04/01/2025 16:36

Any sensible person can distinguish between the words of an extremist and the views and experiences of more mainstream Israelis and the wider issues of the right of the state of Israel to exist and defend itself.

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The problem is that he is the National Security Minister, despite being convicted of inciting racism in 2007 amongst other things.
His views haven't changed and the fact that he was democratically elected is a reflection on the electorate. That also apply to Smotrich.
Both of them hold high office in the government as well as influence.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-bengvir-jerusalem-alaqsa-cd27dfed6d63f4dec3eae2f51ee23ff0
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-bezalel-smotrich-rode-unfiltered-radicalism-and-unforgiving-politics-to-power/

FILE - Israeli lawmaker Itamar Ben-Gvir, center, speaks to the media surrounded by right wing activists as they gather for a march in Jerusalem, April 20, 2022. Ben-Gvir visited Jerusalem’s most sensitive holy site Thursday, July 18, 2024, a move that...

Who is Itamar Ben-Gvir, the far-right minister who visited a contested Jerusalem holy site?

Israel’s far-right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, has visited Jerusalem’s most sensitive holy site, a move that could threaten the delicate Gaza cease-fire talks.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-bengvir-jerusalem-alaqsa-cd27dfed6d63f4dec3eae2f51ee23ff0

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EasterIssland · 04/01/2025 17:21

SharonEllis · 04/01/2025 16:36

Any sensible person can distinguish between the words of an extremist and the views and experiences of more mainstream Israelis and the wider issues of the right of the state of Israel to exist and defend itself.

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Any sensible person can see that these extremists are part of the Israeli government and making the decisions in the name of the Israeli citizens.

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wanderingstar23 · 04/01/2025 17:28

Those same sensible people who put all that effort into asserting that those extremists should not be the subject of an international arrest warrant

GentleScroller · 04/01/2025 22:10

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GentleScroller · 04/01/2025 23:37

Auvergne63 · 30/12/2024 16:27

You haven't actually read the link I provided, have you?
Here is an extract:
"The name “Palestine” for that region also had a long history, though. It first appeared in the fifth century BCE, in the writings of the Greek historian Herodotus.
He wrote of a “district of Syria, called Palaistinê”, between Egypt and Phoenicia, an ancient region that corresponds to modern Lebanon, with adjoining parts of modern Syria and Israel. So, the land (or part of it) was called “Palestine” by the Greeks before it was called “Judea” by the Romans".
I would like to add that this article was written by P C Almond, Emeritus Professor in the History of Religious Thought from The University of Queensland. So no, Netflix didn't say it.
Please do some proper research about the Middle East BC (that's means Before Christ)
Sometime the advice you give to others is the one you should follow yourself, as plainly demonstrated when you wrote BC, instead of BCE (that means Before Common Era), This was introduced in England and Wales in 2002. Do keep up.
I am also twitching, as an ex teacher of twenty years at "that's means". A grammar book would be a good investment, I feel.
read a bloody book before making such embarrassing remarks.
See above.
This makes me laugh because, as an avid reader, my house cannot take any more books. I am a book hoarder and so is my husband. Never assume anything about anyone.

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Yes, I read the link you provided, but I disagree. So, I'm not going to read your summary of the facts. I was being sarcastic in my original reply about Netflix.

Correcting my grammar is unnecessary as I am no longer at school, and you are no longer a teacher. Please do not attempt to make me feel self-conscious about my ability to write a grammatically correct reply. Dialogue is the aim of MN, not to curtail speech.

I would appreciate it if you showed me some respect and did not ridicule me on a public forum.

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 09:34

GentleScroller · 04/01/2025 23:37

Yes, I read the link you provided, but I disagree. So, I'm not going to read your summary of the facts. I was being sarcastic in my original reply about Netflix.

Correcting my grammar is unnecessary as I am no longer at school, and you are no longer a teacher. Please do not attempt to make me feel self-conscious about my ability to write a grammatically correct reply. Dialogue is the aim of MN, not to curtail speech.

I would appreciate it if you showed me some respect and did not ridicule me on a public forum.

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Yes, I read the link you provided, but I disagree. So, I'm not going to read your summary of the facts. I was being sarcastic in my original reply about Netflix.
You disagree with the findings of a professor who is an expert in the history of religious thoughts? Ok...
Correcting my grammar is unnecessary as I am no longer at school, and you are no longer a teacher. Please do not attempt to make me feel self-conscious about my ability to write a grammatically correct reply. Dialogue is the aim of MN, not to curtail speech.
No one can make you feel anything without your consent. You and I are responsible for our own feelings.
I would appreciate it if you showed me some respect and did not ridicule me on a public forum.
I treat people the way they treat me. Ask yourself if your original response showed me respect. Is "read a bloody book before making such embarrassing remarks" in any way respectful?
Before pointing the finger at someone, make sure your hands are clean.

SharonEllis · 05/01/2025 09:40

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 09:34

Yes, I read the link you provided, but I disagree. So, I'm not going to read your summary of the facts. I was being sarcastic in my original reply about Netflix.
You disagree with the findings of a professor who is an expert in the history of religious thoughts? Ok...
Correcting my grammar is unnecessary as I am no longer at school, and you are no longer a teacher. Please do not attempt to make me feel self-conscious about my ability to write a grammatically correct reply. Dialogue is the aim of MN, not to curtail speech.
No one can make you feel anything without your consent. You and I are responsible for our own feelings.
I would appreciate it if you showed me some respect and did not ridicule me on a public forum.
I treat people the way they treat me. Ask yourself if your original response showed me respect. Is "read a bloody book before making such embarrassing remarks" in any way respectful?
Before pointing the finger at someone, make sure your hands are clean.

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You seem to not understand how history works. Disagreeing with Professors is part of the practice of testing existing arguments and is not only fine but expected in the practice of academic history. Its how knowledge moves forward.

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 09:46

SharonEllis · 05/01/2025 09:40

You seem to not understand how history works. Disagreeing with Professors is part of the practice of testing existing arguments and is not only fine but expected in the practice of academic history. Its how knowledge moves forward.

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Of course it is when it is done by others working in the same fields, not by Jo Bloggs. You seem not to understand this.

SharonEllis · 05/01/2025 10:28

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 09:46

Of course it is when it is done by others working in the same fields, not by Jo Bloggs. You seem not to understand this.

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😂 no, anyone is free to disagree with a professor.

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 10:48

SharonEllis · 05/01/2025 10:28

😂 no, anyone is free to disagree with a professor.

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Of course but only if you want to make a fool of yourself. I guess, that's up to the individual. I don't argue with experts because I don't have enough knowledge to do so.

GentleScroller · 05/01/2025 11:02

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 09:46

Of course it is when it is done by others working in the same fields, not by Jo Bloggs. You seem not to understand this.

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Jo Bloggs, like us, you meant to say. I can only assume you are referring to all the other contributors on this thread who aren't professors.

'Jo Bloggs' can't evaluate what we read, question the source, check the evidence, watch for errors, and question unconscious bias.

You've put us right in our place this morning.

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 12:19

Another one to add to the list of things ‘we’ can/ cannot discuss or be pulled up on.

Are all contributors on these threads treated the same way?

wanderingstar23 · 06/01/2025 09:19

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 12:19

Another one to add to the list of things ‘we’ can/ cannot discuss or be pulled up on.

Are all contributors on these threads treated the same way?

Shall we engage with what the historian actually said? Or is it a better tactic when we are on shaky ground to distract by being affronted?

stomachamelon · 06/01/2025 09:49

I am sorry you feel like that. Distraction is used in so many ways on these threads as is guiding them when you feel you aren’t getting your own way.
I am happy as I am though :)

YourAmplePlumPoster · 18/01/2025 17:56

Guess what? The Trump threat worked. We got a peace deal.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 18/01/2025 18:05

Next up: Executive order on day one: Trump gets men out of women's sports and bathrooms. Must be bad, eh?

Fordian · 20/01/2025 22:14

Where's Slovenia?

Lalaloveya · 21/01/2025 13:26

Fordian · 20/01/2025 22:14

Where's Slovenia?

It's in Europe 👍

YourAmplePlumPoster · 21/01/2025 19:27

Slovenia is where Melania Trump comes from. Perhaps she can speak to them.

BippityBoppety · 25/03/2025 00:19

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NoCarbsForMe · 28/03/2025 06:06

SharonEllis · 23/12/2024 16:13

Israel is not comparable to the apartheid regime which was a total holistic system of racial hierarchy and subjugation. Whatever issues there are with human rights and inequality in Israel it is not comparable. And if you think it is please do some research.

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They’ve killed 50,000 innocent people. It’s comparable.

SharonEllis · 28/03/2025 06:24

NoCarbsForMe · 28/03/2025 06:06

They’ve killed 50,000 innocent people. It’s comparable.

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I think you need to do some research into what apartheid means.

SpiritAdder · 29/03/2025 11:53

SharonEllis · 28/03/2025 06:24

I think you need to do some research into what apartheid means.

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While they do need to research apartheid, equally so do you. The ICJ has ruled that Israel is an apartheid state. It doesn’t have to be identical to South Africa to be apartheid, just like a genocide doesn’t have to be identical to the Shoah to be a genocide- as proven by the Rwandan, Myanamar, Pol Pot, Stalinist, Maoist, Armenian and Bosnian genocides.

SharonEllis · 29/03/2025 13:20

SpiritAdder · 29/03/2025 11:53

While they do need to research apartheid, equally so do you. The ICJ has ruled that Israel is an apartheid state. It doesn’t have to be identical to South Africa to be apartheid, just like a genocide doesn’t have to be identical to the Shoah to be a genocide- as proven by the Rwandan, Myanamar, Pol Pot, Stalinist, Maoist, Armenian and Bosnian genocides.

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Actually it didn't. Its ruling was in respect of the West Bank only.