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Conflict in the Middle East

Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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EasterIssland · 23/12/2024 15:51

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

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SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 06:51

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 00:02

No, the case hasn’t been resolved legally. Someone sent a legal letter and someone else did something. That’s not a legal resolution that’s a decision that’s been made pre-action to avoid going any further down a legal avenue.

i asked for a quote because that poster is suggesting I misunderstood something and so I asked for some evidence - fairly basic for someone who is so into the law and upholding it I would have thought.

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Its still a resolution. Lots of cases never get to an action because of a letter from a lawyer reminding people of the law.

BoydTheApe · 03/01/2025 08:08

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:37

Perhaps read the quote I was responding to and then read my reply again. Also see my point that there isn’t really such a thing as UK law.

I did read the quote you're responding to, no need to be patronising. And there are in fact laws in the UK, which is what I said.

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:09

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 06:51

Its still a resolution. Lots of cases never get to an action because of a letter from a lawyer reminding people of the law.

There are many reasons why people or organisations choose not to go further down a route towards litigation. It’s a strategic question especially when there is media involved. Are you suggesting therefore that all the times LFI have chosen to drop their cases or people have ignored them and cracked on, it’s because they were wrong?

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:10

BoydTheApe · 03/01/2025 08:08

I did read the quote you're responding to, no need to be patronising. And there are in fact laws in the UK, which is what I said.

You referred to UK law which is not a thing, whilst dispensing wisdom on the law of this land. So….

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 08:29

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:10

You referred to UK law which is not a thing, whilst dispensing wisdom on the law of this land. So….

UK law is a thing. We have a UK Parliament which still has reserved powers after devolution, we still have a UK Spreme Court etc etc

BoydTheApe · 03/01/2025 08:34

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:10

You referred to UK law which is not a thing, whilst dispensing wisdom on the law of this land. So….

I said "laws in the UK". Which are things that exist. That a UK based law film will operate under.

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:37

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 08:29

UK law is a thing. We have a UK Parliament which still has reserved powers after devolution, we still have a UK Spreme Court etc etc

there are three legal jurisdictions in the uk. None of them are called The UK. Yes the Supreme Court works across these jurisdictions but so does the European Court of Human Rights. My point is that it’s hard to take someone seriously when they dispense wisdom on a specialist subject yet make some very basic errors.

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:38

BoydTheApe · 03/01/2025 08:34

I said "laws in the UK". Which are things that exist. That a UK based law film will operate under.

once again, uk law is not a thing. I can recommend some good textbooks if you would like to start with the basics.

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 08:40

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:37

there are three legal jurisdictions in the uk. None of them are called The UK. Yes the Supreme Court works across these jurisdictions but so does the European Court of Human Rights. My point is that it’s hard to take someone seriously when they dispense wisdom on a specialist subject yet make some very basic errors.

Its hard to take anyone seriously who splits hairs in order to deliberately undermine someone when they know full well what they meant. And we still have a UK Parliament!

Daftasabroom · 03/01/2025 08:53

OpheliaWasntMad · 02/01/2025 23:43

I mean in terms of individual decisions about what/ who is allowed to take part in a sports tournament.
We can see on here that we all have different views. The case has been decided and resolved legally. Whatever you and I think is beside the point.

It isn't beside the point - I believe we actually have the opportunity, compared to many countries, to make our opinions count. We have the opportunity to make our voices heard.

So to clear a few things up:

Sport and the performing arts are not the idealistic level playing field we might like to think they are. I'll stick to sport as it's the leisure activity I'm more familiar with. Sport already discriminates by sex and body weight, in para it discriminates on all manners of characteristics. It commonly discriminates on nationality, and this can vary significantly from sport to sport. On top of that national selection can be incredibly biased and loaded towards specific teams or athletes. Add in professional and amateur limitations and there is a whole other layer.

Israel and the occupied territories is not a fair and equal society. Israel openly discriminates between ethnic Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jewish immigrants.

Fair sporting competition is closed off to significant numbers of people living under Israeli jurisdiction. Particularly where international travel might be involved. It is beholden on international governing bodies to ensure that national and regional governing bodies maintain a level of fairness and equality, particularly at grass roots. If a national or regional governing cannot maintain that code, or where it is prevented from doing so by the policies and actions of a national government, it should not be allowed to compete.

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 09:13

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:38

once again, uk law is not a thing. I can recommend some good textbooks if you would like to start with the basics.

Strongly recommend legislation.gov which explains laws passed that cover the whole of the UK as well as laws relating separately to individual nations, or combinations of individual nations in the UK www.legislation.gov.uk/understanding-legislation#parliamentsandlegislationtypes

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 09:16

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 08:40

Its hard to take anyone seriously who splits hairs in order to deliberately undermine someone when they know full well what they meant. And we still have a UK Parliament!

No - I’m not splitting hairs. You and another poster came on here to suggest that the word of LFI on “uk law” is gospel. I’m suggesting you don’t have the requisite understanding of law to be making that claim and providing useful background as a counter to your position.

BoydTheApe · 03/01/2025 09:44

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 08:38

once again, uk law is not a thing. I can recommend some good textbooks if you would like to start with the basics.

I never said UK law I said laws in the UK. The UK I'd a place on which there are various laws.

Do you get off on being so patronising and smug?

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 09:49

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 09:13

Strongly recommend legislation.gov which explains laws passed that cover the whole of the UK as well as laws relating separately to individual nations, or combinations of individual nations in the UK www.legislation.gov.uk/understanding-legislation#parliamentsandlegislationtypes

I admire your skills thank you so much

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 09:55

There is a legal concept called “jurisdiction”, I wonder if you have heard of it? Looking forward to some more links!

stomachamelon · 03/01/2025 11:30

I wonder what's missing in your life that you feel the need to do that? After all it's somewhat academic.

“overt act of discrimination against Israeli participants, who are excluded solely on the basis of their nationality”.

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 11:40

stomachamelon · 03/01/2025 11:30

I wonder what's missing in your life that you feel the need to do that? After all it's somewhat academic.

“overt act of discrimination against Israeli participants, who are excluded solely on the basis of their nationality”.

I’m not sure what you mean about what’s missing in my life? I’m fine, it’s not me who is under constant attack by one of the best equipped armies in the world after all.

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 11:45

stomachamelon · 03/01/2025 11:30

I wonder what's missing in your life that you feel the need to do that? After all it's somewhat academic.

“overt act of discrimination against Israeli participants, who are excluded solely on the basis of their nationality”.

Yes well done your punctuation is impeccable.

stomachamelon · 03/01/2025 12:02

At Potters Bar?... wow lawn bowls has changed since the last time I watched it on the tv.

If splitting hairs and punctuation are what you got in this discussion you ain't got nothing.

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 12:06

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 09:16

No - I’m not splitting hairs. You and another poster came on here to suggest that the word of LFI on “uk law” is gospel. I’m suggesting you don’t have the requisite understanding of law to be making that claim and providing useful background as a counter to your position.

Nobody regards law as gospel. Law is open to interpretation and it changes. I do rate the legal expertise of UKLFI over randoms on MN though.

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 12:27

SharonEllis · 03/01/2025 12:06

Nobody regards law as gospel. Law is open to interpretation and it changes. I do rate the legal expertise of UKLFI over randoms on MN though.

Curious that you didn’t seem to have much grasp of the legal issues at stake in the case. It’s almost as if you just grabbed onto a quote from a legal letter to back up what you already think, and then tried to assert it was gospel until you were called out on that.

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 12:29

stomachamelon · 03/01/2025 12:02

At Potters Bar?... wow lawn bowls has changed since the last time I watched it on the tv.

If splitting hairs and punctuation are what you got in this discussion you ain't got nothing.

As I said, I have some good book recommendations if you’d like to start the year on a positive note.

Daftasabroom · 03/01/2025 13:32

wanderingstar23 · 03/01/2025 12:29

As I said, I have some good book recommendations if you’d like to start the year on a positive note.

A Balcony Over Jerusalem by John Lyons.

Auvergne63 · 03/01/2025 15:50

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:27

Well thankfully the law disagrees with you.

Although the irony of you talking about fairness while wanting people to be discriminated against based on their nationality is not lost on me.

When you participate in international competitions, you represent that country. and its government. Fact.
If that country breaks international laws and the head of the government has an arrest warrant for war crimes and crimes against humanity, you represent this too.

Auvergne63 · 03/01/2025 16:00

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:32

No, I don't think that's what they poster said at all. They seem to think all Israeli citizens should be discriminated against because they as a whole voted for the current government.

Eh?