Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

That's surely a belief not a fact? Representing a country for a sporting competition isn't the same as representing the government of that country. Otherwise Labour sportspeople couldn't compete under a Conservative government, and vice versa.

The utter irony of this statement!

Nonsense. The arrest warrants relate to individuals. Other citizens of that country are not responsible. And a warrant is just a warrant for arrest. People are innocent until proven guilty in any normal jurisdiction.

They were not splitting hairs or try to undermine you. If you feel that way, maybe that is on you. They were actually explaining why the term UK laws does not exist.
I have learnt something I didn't know, Thanks @wanderingstar23

I didnt say they were trying to undermine me - they were undermining the other poster and being needlessly technocratic when we all understood what the poster was talking about which was law in the UK.The term UK law certainly does exist as you can see here and throughout this website https://www.legislation.gov.uk/understanding-legislation#Howlegislationworks

How so?

Oh dear, this is a bit desperate. 'Ain't got nothing' is a perfectly normal colloquial expression that everyone understands.

Sorry, what do you not understand?

The democratic elected government of any country is, by default, the representative of their citizens.
Your last point doesn't make sense because you are talking about different political parties in the same country whilst the talk is about nationality.

They relate to individuals who occupy the highest office in the country. We are not talking about any Tom, Dick and Harry here but the head of a government, democratically elected btw, who is ultimately responsible (on behalf of Israelis) for the actions he has taken.
Of course, guilt has to be proven but it isn't a great to find your name on a list which has Putin, a Hamas leader and many others on it.
People are innocent until proven guilty in any normal jurisdiction.
Well tell that to the thousands of Palestinians imprisoned in Israeli jails.

in this case a three judge panel found there were reasonable grounds to believe that various crimes had been committed and therefore arrest warrants were issued. So interesting that you spent so much time arguing above that a letter from LFI is akin to black letter law yet you seem to want to suggest that there is nothing here at all despite three international judges examining all the evidence and deciding that on balance there’s something there.

Desperate? No. Why would I be?

My thoughts exactly.

This makes no sense but the point isn’t that anyone thinks someone representing Israel at bowls is somehow akin to one of the cabinet ministers ordering attacks on Gaza. Or whether it’s ok to ban private Israeli citizens from anything (it isn’t). It’s about boycott and sanctions of Israel in the context of international sporting competitions which if it were to happen would by definition mean preventing anyone representing Israel from
taking part. Call it splitting hairs if you like but that’s the real issue here.

All normal legal systems have an evidential threshold for deciding to proceed with a prosecution (thats the job of the CPS here) or issuing arrest warrants. That is NOT the same as the threshold for deciding someone is guilty. It really is such an important distinction. Innocent till proven guilty is a key principle of the rule of law. To dispense with that is textbook holding Israel & Israelis to a different standard.

'Isnt great' is not a legal principle. Its what people say when they've got no option left but to move the goalposts

That doesn't mean citizens are representative of the government. The government is a political body. A sports team represents its country not its government. They fly the national flag, not the symbols of the governing political party. To blur the two is a common feature of autocratic governments

I don’t think you’ve responded to my point which was not to try to assert your straw man argument!

But thank you kindly for the info on rule of law!

No idea what your point is

It's an interesting one. The standards people apply to how Israel are treated vs the way Israel treat others.

Men with warrants out for their arrest for crimes against humanity are innocent until proven guilty but I've never seen that person speaking out about the torture and abuse of Palestinians in administrative detention and how unfair it is that Israel can hold them for as long they like with no charges.

Better by discriminating against people because of their nationality. Ew.

Ew when it's some Israeli sports people but the people living under apartheid don't get so much as an acknowledgement from posters who are pro Israel.

Deep down you know what Israel has been doing to Palestinians is appalling, you can apply the morality when something less bad but in the same realm happens to Israelis but can't quite connect the dots yet when it comes to why people are outraged about how Palestinians have been treated.

Russia and Bielorrusia citizens banned from international competitions. Everyone happy with it. Nobody bats an eyelid

Israel citizens people complaint because this is discrimination and it’s not the same as Russia.

I see people raising concerns about administrative detention and legal inequalities all the time perhaps you just need to broaden your media sources and circle of people you talk to?

Russia invaded a sovreign i dependent coubtry unprovoked. Israel is defending itsrlf agai st a terrorist organisation that committed an illegal heinous act of war. Completely different situation. Russia sponsors terrorism and autocratic regimes all over the place, is involved in cyber attacks and meddling in foreign governments etc etc. Whatever you think of the prosecution of Israel's war with Hamas the situation is not comparable.