Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

Because it's a thread about Israel.

Politely rephrased.

So because of the actions of their government, Israeli citizens should be banned from indoor bowls competitions. Right. Fuck the equality act and all that.

The mission statement of LFI is nothing to do with upholding British law. Or the law of England and Wales which I suspect is what you mean. On their website they say their aim is:

to provide, assist in providing, procure or promote the provision of legal support including advocacy, research, advice and campaigning in combating attempts to undermine, attack and/or delegitimise Israel, Israeli organisations, Israelis and / or supporters of Israel.

They’ve written legal opinions for example relating to Israel’s adherence to international law in the matter of the ICC arrest warrants which are totally counter to the views of other very highly regarded British Jewish lawyers for example the AG Richard Hermer. Who presumably also are very well versed in English law yet disagree with them.

Yes, they should be banned from all international competitions that value any kind of fairness.

Well thankfully the law disagrees with you.

Although the irony of you talking about fairness while wanting people to be discriminated against based on their nationality is not lost on me.

@BoydTheApe As many point out so often, Israel is a democracy, Israeli citizens voted for the Israeli government. Israelis are responsible for their actions and should be held accountable for them.

I think the point being made is not that private Israelis should not be allowed to compete in bowling competitions. But rather that the Israeli state should not be represented in international competitions. You might not agree with either but it’s not the same thing.

They are a law organisation based in the UK handling cases in the UK so they do have quite a bit to do with upholdingaws I the UK.

No, I don't think that's what they poster said at all. They seem to think all Israeli citizens should be discriminated against because they as a whole voted for the current government.

One thing sport isn't is fair or equal. We can make it better not worse.

Quite, in many sports there is the white flag for those who choose it.

Better by discriminating against people because of their nationality. Ew.

We can’t decide what is fair / equal as individuals. The law decides ( and has done in this case)

Perhaps read the quote I was responding to and then read my reply again. Also see my point that there isn’t really such a thing as UK law.

Quote please

If necessary yes.

We can’t decide what is fair / equal as individuals.

I completely, fundamentally, vehemently disagree ..

I mean in terms of individual decisions about what/ who is allowed to take part in a sports tournament.
We can see on here that we all have different views. The case has been decided and resolved legally. Whatever you and I think is beside the point.

Surely focusing on this case is counterproductive.
I don’t see how it could be lawful to refuse to allow Israelis to participate .
Surely there are more relevant things to focus on?

But the law didn’t decide. LFI sent a letter citing some law, and the people they sent it to backed down. For the law to decide it would need to have gone to court and a judge would decide what the correct application of the law was in those circumstances.

Are they refusing them because they are Israeli or because they are representing the state of Israel? It's two very different things.

No, the case hasn’t been resolved legally. Someone sent a legal letter and someone else did something. That’s not a legal resolution that’s a decision that’s been made pre-action to avoid going any further down a legal avenue.

i asked for a quote because that poster is suggesting I misunderstood something and so I asked for some evidence - fairly basic for someone who is so into the law and upholding it I would have thought.

The latter but some people will always see the former. and the LFI letter cites law relating to the former because anti discrimination law applies. That’s why the discussion turned on security because that’s a possible defence to discrimination.

The organisation originally said the Israelis could not compete not because they didn't like Israelis, or they supported BDS, but because - they said - they couldn't manage the security requirements that they thought would be needed. So the discrimination claim had there ever been one would have been for unlawful indirect discrimination, and the defence, had there been one, would have been "objective justification" - that they couldn't manage the necessary security, that it was a legitimate aim to want to continue with the competition, and that their decision to bar the Israeli competitors was proportionate. Whether that was the case or not, in the law of England and Wales, on those facts, hasn't been decided in law because the people running the competition decided they could manage the security.

Yes there is. That's ridiculous.